Newcomer / Intro no Musgravite in Musgravite hotspot?

[dermoritz]

i jumped back into Elite after a while. So i read how to make money and i decided for deep core mining. And it seem that Musgravite is a good start?!
So i flew to GCRV 375 2nd planet and surface scanned and found some Musgravite Hotspots i flew to a double one (2 hotspots overlapping) by targetting and supercruising to one of them. I dropped of at app. 9km.

I began to scan with pulse wave scanner. The first thing i noticed it looke more blurry than in the videos but i found some yellow glowing rocks. The problem was that after scanning around 20 yellow glowing rocks i didn't found any that contained musgravite. I also tried another single "hotspot" but with no avail. All contained many different stuff but now musgravite.

So how to find musgravite in such an hotspot and how to find musgravite cores?

 

[Para Handy]

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[Chris Simon]

To add to what Para said - Mining in the bubble is usually inefficient. Especially if you're in a known mining spot (i.e. if you found your location in some mining guide/site.
These places, if they're good, are usually mined dry.
That being said, trying 20 roids before finding a good one isn't that unusual. It's mostly luck. I had a mining session a couple days ago (in my own spot so relatively good) and I think I cracked six asteroids. That means about one every 15 minutes. Enough to fill up my Krait but hardly a roid-parade.

 

[Tyres O'Flaherty]

Platinum is the new void opal but you need a lot of it. My biggest haul was ~600 units which netted me a mid hundred millions payout.

Painite is still viable but the markets shift wildly and good prices seem to be offered where the demand levels are low.

As for hotspots, yes, I've been in quite a few where the proposed commodity is non-existent. As @Chris Simon says, luck is a factor.

 

[sinisalo]

That being said, trying 20 roids before finding a good one isn't that unusual. It's mostly luck. I had a mining session a couple days ago (in my own spot so relatively good) and I think I cracked six asteroids. That means about one every 15 minutes. Enough to fill up my Krait but hardly a roid-parade.

Agreed. Decided to do some mining last night, as I hadn't in quite a long time. Didn't know what is hot these days, and of that, which can be found in core deposits. But I swapped to my mining Krait, used a handy app to find a nearby uninhabited, pristine-ring system about 20 light years from Deciat. Dropped and probed, found many hotspots and alt-tabbed to Inara to see which of these had good sell pricing. Musgravite looked good (nearby system on Inara showed 1.1m per tonne, 1600 demand, 9 minutes old). So I dropped there and it's just like Chris says. I had taken 64 limpets, half of my capacity, and by the time I was down to single digits I had mined just about 80t.

By the time I flew to the sell station the price was about 700k per tonne, and I had mixed in some Benitoite, in all about 60m in profit. Spent about an hour and half, probed plenty of the wrong rocks, but I enjoy core mining as it comes up again in the activity rotation. I did not count the number of times I stuck a prospector in to a sure bet and then said "hmm" as it failed to contain what I was after. Core mining is the cloest thing Elite has to fishing, and I really like fishing

My core mining Krait

Twin Reverb

 

[Tyres O'Flaherty]

As an aside, when I want to mine, I'll head out of the bubble to avoid pirates. Quite often I find I need to quit out and want to leave my ship in the ring - don't want to have to run away when I log back on.

 

[sinisalo]

That's a good modus operandi Tyres. This was my thinking in looking for uninhabited in my search. But a FDL still showed up to look me over. Maybe because it's still in the bubble? Anyway, the great thing about core mining is only two medium hardpoints are required, so any left over can hang weapons. And those remove the problem in short order.

I used to enjoy firing those drill bang rocket things, but the return seemed to tail off, and I decided it wasn't worth the hardpoint, though they are fun to use. In the Krait this leaves three large weapons, enough for me to cause the pirate regret

And this is another reason I like using a 128t-capacity Krait for mining. Honestly, that's plenty for me, a couple of hours to fill it up is enough. If I were using a meta-miner I'd feel compelled to fill her up, which would likely mean logging out and in now and then, inviting more pirates to check me out when I've now got booty on board. The Krait's modest capacity means I'll get it all in one go, the pirates come before any refining has been done, and then I'm free to operate in peace and security. Do it all in one session. The only real threat then is interdiction on the way to the sell station, and an armed miner can handle that too.

 

[dermoritz]

Thanks to all of you for the helpful answers. Seems that mining is a bit harder and needs more patience than some videos my suggest.

 

[sinisalo]

Like Para pointed out the shape of the 'roid is often one of the keys to doing this efficiently. In the Void Opal rush days I looked for rocks that were shaped like squash. The ones I was finding musgravite in were more like potatoes, not that this helps all that much haha. They all kinda look like potatoes with enough imagination I guess.

It's not hard, at all. It just takes time to prospect enough to find the ones you are looking for, and frankly it should be that way. If they hit everytime we would call it catching instead of fishing

So load up plenty of limpets and don't be shy with 'em. Stick anything that looks suspicious. To echo what Chris was saying you might fire ten over fifteen minutes for every good core asteroid you find on average. The detonation is worth it, and I have a lot of fun setting the charges, using the abrasion blaster and 'supporting' my limpets. What I mean is trying to always position my ship so the limpets can run free, keep their runs short and free of obstructions. When you blow one of these there are plenty of chunks the limpets can get stuck on. All of these things put a premium on situational awareness and ship control, making me feel engaged throughout the process. Quite enjoyable, and preferable to me over strip laser mining which I don't care for much.