Non-visited Systems already explored!!!!

RAM22 · Jan 19, 2019

I don't know if this is a bug or not, but it seems to me it may be, I figured I'd just post it first to see if anyone else is experiencing it before taking it to the bug forum.

I've been exploring a pretty big area of the galaxy for the past few weeks just for exploration/information purposes and to sell the Cartography.

Nearly half the systems I encounter, where I've never visited prior, and where the System(s) map is NOT accessible via the Galaxy map, and it shows as NOT visited by me, end up already explored once I enter said system(s).

These are not systems like the ones where engineers are present, that are already explored due to you being invited.

I've been playing the game since NOV last year, and I even noticed it when I first started playing, but didn't really think much about it. Now that I'm thousands of light years away from my home star, which is the furthest I've been, how can these systems have already been explored if I've never been there, if their system map is NOT accessible via the galaxy map and shows that I have never visited them??

Exploring is an easy way to make credits, it takes some time to map not only the galaxy but each and every star system along the way, it's boring laborious work, but necessary. So to encounter so many system along the way that are magically already explored and be denied the credits for the cartography is extremely annoying!!

Edit: I also should mention, this pertains mostly to the systems where there is life and starports present, and have many celestial bodies, but I've also seen it in sector systems that contain very few bodies and no life at all.

Your thoughts??

Cheers

thistle · Jan 19, 2019

RAM22 said:
I don't know if this is a bug or not, but it seems to me it may be, I figured I'd just post it first to see if anyone else is experiencing it before taking it to the bug forum.

I've been exploring a pretty big area of the galaxy for the past few weeks just for exploration/information purposes and to sell the Cartography.

Nearly half the systems I encounter, where I've never visited prior, and where the System(s) map is NOT accessible via the Galaxy map, and it shows as NOT visited by me, end up already explored once I enter said system(s).

These are not systems like the ones where engineers are present, that are already explored due to you being invited.

I've been playing the game since NOV last year, and I even noticed it when I first started playing, but didn't really think much about it. Now that I'm thousands of light years away from my home star, which is the furthest I've been, how can these systems have already been explored if I've never been there, if their system map is NOT accessible via the galaxy map and shows that I have never visited them??

Exploring is an easy way to make credits, it takes some time to map not only the galaxy but each and every star system along the way, it's boring laborious work, but necessary. So to encounter so many system along the way that are magically already explored and be denied the credits for the cartography is extremely annoying!!

Your thoughts??

Cheers

You mean it's got someone's name in the system map as discovered by? That sounds like it's right, someone else has been there?

IndigoWyrd · Jan 19, 2019

Keep going, you'll find places no one has been.

You've just stumbled across an area where someone else has already been. I've crossed a few here and there as I paint my own huge swatch of "someone's been here" across the galaxy.

Stabby_Dave · Jan 19, 2019

If they show up as having been explored, it’s because they’ve been explored by someone else before you got there.

That doesn’t mean you won’t get any credits for exploring them yourself, it just means that you won’t get the “first explored” bonus.

Ian Skippy · Jan 19, 2019

1) If others have already explored it, you will have a filled-in system map and the planets are listed as 'unexplored' in the nav panel. You can still scan them yourself, and get credits for it.
2) You can only open the system map of deep space systems if you have been there, regardless of it others have been there.
3) if you go in a straight line to a popular destination (nebula, deep space space station, colonia, whatever) thousands upon thousands of people have plotted that route, and most of it will be discovered. Go 'off the beaten path' a 100-200 LY and it'll be all yours.

thistle · Jan 19, 2019

Just head over there. No, not over there. Over there. Then hang a left.

Rabzee1980 · Jan 19, 2019

I think OP is saying he has put a filter on to say plot route via non visited star systems. OPnthat only means not visited by you....doesn’t apply to others having not visited them.

RAM22 · Jan 19, 2019

Ian Skippy said:
1) If others have already explored it, you will have a filled-in system map and the planets are listed as 'unexplored' in the nav panel. You can still scan them yourself, and get credits for it.

That's not what's happening. I get there to the systems that I've never been to and there are no unexplored planets in the nav panel, they are already revealed and I've never been there!!!

And this doesn't make sense, on one hand people are saying that, and you say it in your third point that if others have been there than I can't discover it, but here in your first point you say I can. I don't mean getting credit for original discovery, I'm talking about getting monetary credits for scanning a system that I've never been to by revealing each body within in it for cartography!

2) You can only open the system map of deep space systems if you have been there, regardless of it others have been there.

I understand that.

3) if you go in a straight line to a popular destination (nebula, deep space space station, colonia, whatever) thousands upon thousands of people have plotted that route, and most of it will be discovered. Go 'off the beaten path' a 100-200 LY and it'll be all yours.

I understand the whole premise of someone has already discovered certain systems and their name appears giving them credit.

I'm playing solo right now, though I've flown a few times with buddies in Open, bounty hunting.

So, in a nutshell, in solo play, if I go to a system that I've never been to, and someone else discovered it prior, which means their name is on it, should all the bodies be already revealed(discovered), and I can't map it myself for the cartography credit?

I'm not talking about having my name being credited with original discovery

Kapeesh??

Cheers

IndigoWyrd · Jan 19, 2019

RAM22 said:
I understand the whole premise of someone has already discovered certain systems and their name appears giving them credit.

I'm playing solo right now, though I've flown a few times with buddies in Open, bounty hunting.

So, in a nutshell, in solo play, if I go to a system that I've never been to, and someone else discovered it prior, which means their name is on it, should all the bodies be already revealed(discovered), and I can't map it myself for the cartography credit?

I'm not talking about having my name being credited with original discovery

Kapeesh??

Cheers

You'll still gain credits for discovering something YOU haven't discovered that someone else has.
You can even map something someone else has mapped and still get credits for mapping.
You just don't get the bonus for doing it first.

RAM22 · Jan 19, 2019

IndigoWyrd said:
You'll still gain credits for discovering something YOU haven't discovered that someone else has.
You can even map something someone else has mapped and still get credits for mapping.
You just don't get the bonus for doing it first.

That's what I was asking, Thank You very much SIR!!!

Cheers

Riverside · Jan 19, 2019

RAM22 said:
Kapeesh??

It happened as part of the corrective process for allowing discovered by tags on pre-populated systems (like sol).

I'm not sure whether extra systems have been pre-populated post 3.3 but subjectively it does seem like it.

Can you pin down a system that you think wasn't pre-populated before & now is?

Thatchinho · Jan 19, 2019

RAM22 said:
I don't know if this is a bug or not, but it seems to me it may be, I figured I'd just post it first to see if anyone else is experiencing it before taking it to the bug forum.

I've been exploring a pretty big area of the galaxy for the past few weeks just for exploration/information purposes and to sell the Cartography.

Nearly half the systems I encounter, where I've never visited prior, and where the System(s) map is NOT accessible via the Galaxy map, and it shows as NOT visited by me, end up already explored once I enter said system(s).

These are not systems like the ones where engineers are present, that are already explored due to you being invited.

I've been playing the game since NOV last year, and I even noticed it when I first started playing, but didn't really think much about it. Now that I'm thousands of light years away from my home star, which is the furthest I've been, how can these systems have already been explored if I've never been there, if their system map is NOT accessible via the galaxy map and shows that I have never visited them??

Exploring is an easy way to make credits, it takes some time to map not only the galaxy but each and every star system along the way, it's boring laborious work, but necessary. So to encounter so many system along the way that are magically already explored and be denied the credits for the cartography is extremely annoying!!

Edit: I also should mention, this pertains mostly to the systems where there is life and starports present, and have many celestial bodies, but I've also seen it in sector systems that contain very few bodies and no life at all.

Your thoughts??

Cheers

Already answered already by others, but just going to add my little bit of explanation.

From 3.3, when you enter a system, any body which has been Discovered by another cmdr will appear for you as 'Unexplored'.

'Discovered' means that the body has been Surface Scanned (now part of the FSS scan), and had its data handed in to Universal Cartographics. (Just for clarity, Surface Scanned means, it was targetted and scanned, either just with the Discovery Scanner or with the Detailed Surface Scanner.)

'Unexplored' is how the body will be labelled in the NavPanel, SysMap and HUD. You'll also get basic (Level 1) data for it in the System Map.

(Edit - for additional clarity 'Undiscovered' means the body doesn't appear at all in the NavPanel, SysMap or HUD, and can only be found using the FSS (or via parallax if you're that way inclined.)

You can still discover/explore anything which is Unexplored, you just won't get the First Discovery Bonus when you hand the data in to UC.

If you jump into a system and all bodies show with their actual names and with Level 3 data (composition, atmosphere, etc.) then you've either been there before and scanned the system (and either handed the data in to UC, or not died since.) or you're in a well known system whose info is public. You can't scan and get credits on these type of bodies.

For all bodies, you can:

- scan them with the FSS to look for surface signals

- map them if you haven't already done so

Hope that helps clear things up!

RAM22 · Jan 19, 2019

Riverside said:
Can you pin down a system that you think wasn't pre-populated before & now is?

I've only been playing since NOV, but that was before 3.3.

Explain to me what you mean by pre-poplulated! Would that be discovered/undiscovered(revealed/not revealed)??

RAM22 · Jan 19, 2019

Thatchinho said:
From 3.3, when you enter a system, any body which has been Discovered by another cmdr will appear for you as 'Unexplored'.

This is exactly what I'm talking about, they are not showing as Unexplored for me, they are all showing as what they actually are by body name, and I've never been to the system before!!!!!

Thatchinho said:
'Discovered' means that the body has been Surface Scanned (now part of the FSS scan), and had its data handed in to Universal Cartographics. (Just for clarity, Surface Scanned means, it was targetted and scanned, either just with the Discovery Scanner or with the Detailed Surface Scanner.)

I know this!!

Thatchinho said:
'Unexplored' is how the body will be labelled in the NavPanel, SysMap and HUD. You'll also get basic (Level 1) data for it in the System Map.

As I've stated, this is not what is happening in my case!!

Thatchinho said:
You can still discover/explore anything which is Unexplored, you just won't get the First Discovery Bonus when you hand the data in to UC.

That's understood

Thatchinho said:
or you're in a well known system whose info is public. You can't scan and get credits on these type of bodies.

This is where the confusion reigns, if this is the case, then why not mention it in your first point!! Which seems to me to be the opposite of what is being said in your first point, minus the "handed in Universal Cartographics/being in a well know system that is public."

These are systems I've never been in!!

Thatchinho said:
For all bodies, you can:

- scan them with the FSS to look for surface signals

- map them if you haven't already done so

I understand this!

It seems to me that no one really knows or can explain exactly what should really be happening under what circumstance??

To much confusion!!!

But thanks for the reply!!

Tarman · Jan 19, 2019

Why are there so many colours in this thread? Is it on acid?

Riverside · Jan 19, 2019

RAM22 said:
I've only been playing since NOV, but that was before 3.3.

Explain to me what you mean by pre-poplulated! Would that be discovered/undiscovered(revealed/not revealed)??

A pre-populated system is one like Sol where it has no first discovered tags and full DSS information is already available. There are plenty in the bubble. A pre-populated system can have mapped tags, but not first discovered tags.

Riverside · Jan 19, 2019

Tarman said:
Why are there so many colours in this thread? Is it on acid?

It's 'free' and 'helpful'. These are both positive things that must apparently be applauded without reserve.

Tarman · Jan 19, 2019

Riverside said:
It's 'free' and 'helpful'. These are both positive things that must apparently be applauded without reserve.

Wait, are we still talking about acid?

Riverside · Jan 19, 2019

Tarman said:
Wait, are we still talking about acid?

Depends on the kind of acid and how quickly it is given to you as a free gift I suppose. And where; airport security comes to mind

Bunkerkind Anni · Jan 19, 2019

because there is NO WAY to see, if a system was already discovered and mapped by someone else, until you actually jump into that system -
it takes so endlessly long to discover the whole galaxy.
Not only the sheer number of star systems that exist, but also the lack of information given to each individual player, is what makes it so slow to map everything.

out-of-the-game tools may help with that, but i doubt the majority of player are even contributing to those databases.