Notoriety is not going down. Outfitting (only) locked out?? Have I missed something fundamental?

[Aashenfox]

Firstly, let's be clear, I roleplay a good character, all my bounties are accidental, private datapoints or self defense against clean bounty hunters. The single large bounty you can see in the screenshots below is from a long Comp Nav session which had lots of friendly fire incidents and not wanting to leave the instance, I was forced to kill clean ships that accidentally got hit. I figured it's ok I'll sample the new CnP (normally I would have left the instance without killing any innocents, this was a kind of test of CnP). And between when that happened on Saturday afternoon, and saturday night, everything was going as planned, my notoriety went down from 9 to 8.

So, I had 8 notoriety on Saturday night. I haven't committed any crimes since then (except 2 planetary scans which were private, but they don't add to notoriety, right?). I log in on Sunday night (24 hours since bounty issued), plot a course to my favorite interstellar factors, and just had the thought to check if my notoriety was down. It was on 6. Seemed odd, so I transferred some ships (my T9 and another) to Daedalus and logged out (I'm waiting for the notoriety to go down to do some cargo missions to the jurisdiction in which I am wanted). Didn't play yesterday, log in today and I can't access outfitting (I could when I logged off), due to 'legal issues' apparently (see screenshot 1 in spoiler), but I don't have any bounties or fines with any factions in Sol (see screenshot 2) and I can access everything else just fine. Also, my crime stats seem to be totally borked (see screenshot 3).

Have I missed something about CnP and hot modules? I obviously have some hot modules in my ship and I stored some in outfitting on sunday. And why is my notoriety not going down? Am I being dense or do I need to file a bug report? Please feel free to ask me any questoins that might help us clear this up, I'm not here to complain, just understand...

It doesn't stop there... I did two planetary scans on sunday night, getting bounties of course, I think 500 bucks each. I couldn't pay them off I assume (I ahven't tried going to interstellar factors because I gather while my notoriety is 6 I can't pay them off, so I'm waiting for my notoriety to go down, which it isn't, in order to clear these bounties.) So now I go to the shipyard to switch to the courier and I see this notice (see screenshot 4) stating that this ship is wanted in another jurisdiction, but transfer is available to this station for a premium fee... ...er, the ship is already at teh station, I can switch to it and fly it. So what does this mean? And why would I have to pay a premium fee for a 1000cr bounty? And why would a 1000cr bounty stop me from accessing services in my home system where they adore me? It's like I logged into a different game today. What the holy hell is going on?

Spoiler

 

[Vorxian]

Firstly, let's be clear, I roleplay a good character

You may be a good character, but, you have been 'seeing' that Dukes daughter again, haven't you!? He explicitly told you not to... now look what you have gone and done, it's got all legal !

 

[Hossi]

Have you tried a bit jumping?

-Notoriety does decay while docked, however it will not update in your statistics until you undock and jump to supercruise.

from here

 

[Aashenfox]

Have you tried a bit jumping?

-Notoriety does decay while docked, however it will not update in your statistics until you undock and jump to supercruise.

from here

I'll try it in a min, thanks

You may be a good character, but, you have been 'seeing' that Dukes daughter again, haven't you!? He explicitly told you not to... now look what you have gone and done, it's got all legal !

All's fair in love and war.

 

[Aashenfox]

As soon as I switched to the courier, it went down to 5, I jumped to another system, no change. So I guess at least that's good info, switching ships also refreshes your notoriety while docked.

But I'm crime free for days! Why is it going down so slowly? Very frustrating, I can't do what I logged in to do now for two days.

OK I landed back in Daedalus and I still can't access outfitting. Why?

Logging out for another day... /sigh

Maybe I'l work on my Doom achievements.

 

[philngraves]

As soon as I switched to the courier, it went down to 5, I jumped to another system, no change. So I guess at least that's good info, switching ships also refreshes your notoriety while docked.

But I'm crime free for days! Why is it going down so slowly? Very frustrating, I can't do what I logged in to do now for two days.

OK I landed back in Daedalus and I still can't access outfitting. Why?

How many hours logged in since your last 'oopsie'?

 

[Aashenfox]

ok, now things are getting weird. My huge bounty is gone. Simply gone.

I managed to catch a screen showing the missing bounty and my credit balance, to see it has not changed (edit: actually it's gone up slightly, I handed in a fed bounty right after making the OP). the bounty in screenshot 2 in the OP has vanished, after flying to a nearby system and back again...

My notoriety is still 5.

 

[Aashenfox]

How many hours logged in since your last 'oopsie'?

Not many, about right if you're thinking that notoriety only decays when logged in. If that's the case, I will stop playing elite today, as it will have become too much trouble to enjoy.

 

[orange_apecs]

Doesn't notoriety go down only while logged in?
Bounties decay in real time but notoriety goes down in game time. Sure that's how it works.

-Edit- Ninja'd by OP.

 

[Aashenfox]

Doesn't notoriety go down only while logged in?
Bounties decay in real time but notoriety goes down in game time. Sure that's how it works.

-Edit- Ninja'd by OP.

Thanks anyway.

Fine (it's not fine AT ALL, I now can't play the game how I want to) but that doesn't explain why I can't access outiftting in Sol, where I have no bounties or fines, or why my courier had a warning on it despite already being IN the shipyard, or why my bounty of 1.6 MILLION credits, just disappeared "on h-jump" (apparently), leaving me with the notoriety and wondering what I'm going to find at Interstellar factors when I go to pay a bounty that doesn't exist.

Desperately sad about the state of this game, I think I need to take a break.

 

[WingNuts]

Notoriety counter only goes down while logged in / playing the game. 2 hours (give or take) to reduce notoriety by 1 point.


I get rid of mine by dropping from super cruise and flying off for time necessary.


Good luck


Wingy

 

[Crank Larson]

Thanks anyway.

Fine (it's not fine AT ALL, I now can't play the game how I want to) but that doesn't explain why I can't access outiftting in Sol, where I have no bounties or fines, or why my courier had a warning on it despite already being IN the shipyard, or why my bounty of 1.6 MILLION credits, just disappeared "on h-jump" (apparently), leaving me with the notoriety and wondering what I'm going to find at Interstellar factors when I go to pay a bounty that doesn't exist.

Desperately sad about the state of this game, I think I need to take a break.

There was a post regarding the 3.0.3 update that stated bounties on modules would be wiped, so that could explain why your large bounty disappeared? Have a look in the patch forum, I'm pretty sure that some of the odd changes made in this update could explain what you are seeing. You need to pay the remaining bounties off, but can't do so until your notoriety disappears (which you know). I didn't think notoriety did actually decay while docked, but am happy to be corrected on that one. It certainly doesn't decay while not playing.

 

[Kamiyoda]

Thanks anyway.

Fine (it's not fine AT ALL, I now can't play the game how I want to) but that doesn't explain why I can't access outiftting in Sol, where I have no bounties or fines, or why my courier had a warning on it despite already being IN the shipyard, or why my bounty of 1.6 MILLION credits, just disappeared "on h-jump" (apparently), leaving me with the notoriety and wondering what I'm going to find at Interstellar factors when I go to pay a bounty that doesn't exist.

Desperately sad about the state of this game, I think I need to take a break.

Well as of 3.0.3 if you have ANY bounty you cannot use outfitting anywhere. You can go to Colonia and it still wouldnt let you outfit your ship.

This was to fix the issue people were having of uninstalling modules on hot ships then not being able to use them without paying large amounts of credits

 

[Aashenfox]

There was a post regarding the 3.0.3 update that stated bounties on modules would be wiped, so that could explain why your large bounty disappeared? Have a look in the patch forum, I'm pretty sure that some of the odd changes made in this update could explain what you are seeing. You need to pay the remaining bounties off, but can't do so until your notoriety disappears (which you know). I didn't think notoriety did actually decay while docked, but am happy to be corrected on that one. It certainly doesn't decay while not playing.

I'll have to read those patch notes, I didn't expect a whole new 3.0, I thought it would be minor updates, apologies for not having done so already. I know why it disappeared now though, I just remembered, bounties are per ship now. I changed ship. That big bounty is on my Corvette. So it's probably still there and now I have to think of something else to do in the game for 10 HOURS that isn't what I want to do right now. The new cnp truly does suck giant hairy donkey balls. Color me disappointed.

 

[Aashenfox]

Well as of 3.0.3 if you have ANY bounty you cannot use outfitting anywhere. You can go to Colonia and it still wouldnt let you outfit your ship.

WHAT? What possible justification is there for that?

Notoriety counter only goes down while logged in / playing the game. 2 hours (give or take) to reduce notoriety by 1 point.


I get rid of mine by dropping from super cruise and flying off for time necessary.


Good luck


Wingy

I can't do that stuff to get around a games flaws any more. In the immortal words of Danny Glover, I'm getting too old for this crap.

 

[Sylow]

Thanks anyway.

Fine (it's not fine AT ALL, I now can't play the game how I want to) but that doesn't explain why I can't access outiftting in Sol, where I have no bounties or fines, or why my courier had a warning on it despite already being IN the shipyard, or why my bounty of 1.6 MILLION credits, just disappeared "on h-jump" (apparently), leaving me with the notoriety and wondering what I'm going to find at Interstellar factors when I go to pay a bounty that doesn't exist.

Desperately sad about the state of this game, I think I need to take a break.

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Who are you, and what have you done to Aashen?
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First of all, you have that many friendly fire incidents? Interesting. Then, you decided to pull through and kill them, instead of retreating. Accidentally attacking somebody, then killing him when he defends himself is murder and the game now handles it correctly. It really fits well into the picture of "choices have consequences", which so many people asked for since a long time.
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In contrast to "having consequences", notoriety can be AFK-ed off, though. I've tested that during the beta, go afk for a while, relog (or apparently do other things to update your status) and you are fine. I actually consider that way too easy, it punishes normal players, while not affecting seal clubbers, who simply go AFK instead of logging out and are clean again the next day. Thus i still would prefer the idea of the mission system dropping a redemption mission into your inbox after the mentioned online time for reducing notoriety has passed. The mission can be a simple courier mission to another system and when completed would reduce your notoriety by one. (Rejecting the mission, on the other hand, would mean that you see yourself as career criminal and would add a delay till the next redemption mission would be offered. )
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On bounties being lost, there's been so many changes (and a wipe) in the last days, i am currently also not sure any more on the exact status. As i don't play as criminal, it'll most likely take a while till i have further insight there, i guess the forum will be able to provide better info on that soon, though.
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[Kamiyoda]

WHAT? What possible justification is there for that?



I can't do that stuff to get around a games flaws any more. In the immortal words of Danny Glover, I'm getting too old for this crap.

People were swaping hot modules out of their ships and were unable to use them due to high cleaning fees, this was the "fix".

 

[Sylow]

Well as of 3.0.3 if you have ANY bounty you cannot use outfitting anywhere. You can go to Colonia and it still wouldnt let you outfit your ship.

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Sounds worse than it is. It's better said like this: if you have a bounty on a ship, you can not use outfitting on that ship, no matter the location. Any other ship is not affected.
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Also, after rivers of tears on this topic, FD already agreed to change things again. I guess i should change from reasoning to crying, it seems to be the better strategy here.
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[CMDR Carbo]

WHAT? What possible justification is there for that?

I can't do that stuff to get around a games flaws any more. In the immortal words of Danny Glover, I'm getting too old for this crap.

Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.

Re bounty, did it disappear when you switched ships by any chance?

 

[Kaocraft]

This is how 3.0.3 works:
• If you have any bounties anywhere, or hot modules on your ship, you cannot access outfitting. At all. Anywhere. Even in places where you are not wanted.
• Notariety only ticks down while you are actually playing the game.
Here's what I think happened:
You incurred a bounty on one ship, changed ships, swapped hot modules into a clean ship, and now you're in a "clean" ship (hence your bounty seemingly disappeared) but you still have hot modules on it so you're locked out of outfitting.