Hardware & Technical NVidia RTX 2080Ti are failing in alarming numbers

Morbad

Morbad
Possible they were too aggressive with clocks and too loose with validation so they could get sufficient parts out at speeds that wouldn't look too poor vs. the prior generation to sell, even if yields didn't support it yet.
 

Zieman

Zieman
Morbad said:
Possible they were too aggressive with clocks and too loose with validation so they could get sufficient parts out at speeds that wouldn't look too poor vs. the prior generation to sell, even if yields didn't support it yet.
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Maybe.
If so, a rookie mistake for a big company - you shouldn't cripple your flagship product & destroy its reputation at launch by such defect in quality control.
 

VR StarLightPL

VR StarLightPL
Zieman said:
Maybe.
If so, a rookie mistake for a big company - you shouldn't cripple your flagship product & destroy its reputation at launch by such defect in quality control.
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...unless this is a "minor" launch and they don't care. I remember Jensen saying that the new cards are "not anytime soon" somewhere around May I think. Plus there is the rumour that the RTX launch was planned sooner but was delayed by cryptocraze. Who knows, maybe they're gearing up for the 7nm release to crush any attempt AMD could be doing with it's unannounced Navi in 2019? Maybe they wanted to cash on this quick, seeing the market was "stiffled" by cryptocraze as well...

Anyhow, it's not like they have any competition now. They can afford this kind of "mistakes", and the cryptocraze lined their pockets for years to come. Or, maybe they wanted to "plant a seed" with raytracing now, expecting games will start to support it and then BANG, they release RTX 7nm lord and saviour of us gamers/all.
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
I put myself in the place of people who already regretted their purchase of RTX by noting that it is not much better than a GTX, but more if it breaks down after a few days ...
 

Zieman

Zieman
StarLightPL said:
...unless this is a "minor" launch and they don't care. I remember Jensen saying that the new cards are "not anytime soon" somewhere around May I think. Plus there is the rumour that the RTX launch was planned sooner but was delayed by cryptocraze. Who knows, maybe they're gearing up for the 7nm release to crush any attempt AMD could be doing with it's unannounced Navi in 2019? Maybe they wanted to cash on this quick, seeing the market was "stiffled" by cryptocraze as well...

Anyhow, it's not like they have any competition now. They can afford this kind of "mistakes", and the cryptocraze lined their pockets for years to come. Or, maybe they wanted to "plant a seed" with raytracing now, expecting games will start to support it and then BANG, they release RTX 7nm lord and saviour of us gamers/all.
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Yeah. Maybe a bit cynical, but all too plausible.
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
In every case, the majority of people who buys currently RTX 2080 TI, are not in the financial poverty.

Thus it is not very grave. They will survive with these incidents.

And it seems that the return of the card at Nvidia, is supported by the company.

Royal !

;)
 

bitstorm

bitstorm
Worst bit about these sorts of things is you've stretched and bought one, and your card hasn't failed.

You're like yeah I've just spent more that I can afford on this, and I'm now worried it will fail a few months after warranty.

If I were to spend that much, a big part of the justification would be because of the future proof angle, ok it's a lot now but this thing will last me.

Well actually no because...
 
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Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
bitstorm said:
Worst bit about these sorts of things is you've stretched and bought one, and your card hasn't failed.

You're like yeah I've just spent more that I can afford on this, and I'm now worried it will fail a few months after warranty.

If I were to spend that much, a big part of the justification would be because of the future proof angle, ok it's a lot now but this thing will last me.

Well actually no because...
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RTX is worse than a nest of hornets for its debut.

Living with this kind of anxiety for a card so expensive, is not normal.
 

VR StarLightPL

VR StarLightPL
Un1k0rn said:
Another reason for my next GPU to be AMD.
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That's not a valid reason tbh. I will compare the offerings from both companies next year and choose accordingly. I will let others fight their ideological wars :) I am putting my money on something solid and for all intents and purposes, the current RTX launch is not that for me. And currently AMD is not present in the high end market. If that changes, why not? :)
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
StarLightPL said:
That's not a valid reason tbh. I will compare the offerings from both companies next year and choose accordingly. I will let others fight their ideological wars :) I am putting my money on something solid and for all intents and purposes, the current RTX launch is not that for me. And currently AMD is not present in the high end market. If that changes, why not? :)
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And do not forget that Intel will come into the market with its discrete graphics cards.

Their latest acquisition ? Darren PcPhee, a top marketing executive at AMD.

He becomes Intel Director of Marketing for GPU discrete. When we know that Intel is working on a GPU under the leadership of Koduri (formerl vice president of Radeon Technologies Group)...

It must go well for Intel in the progress of the project.
 

VR StarLightPL

VR StarLightPL
Patrick_68000 said:
He becomes Intel Director of Marketing for GPU discrete. When we know that Intel is working on a GPU under the leadership of Koduri (formerl vice president of Radeon Technologies Group)...
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It will be interesting to see what Intel brings to the table. I also read some rumours that Koduri didn't get along with the AMD CEO, Lisa Su. I wonder if we will see "Koduri Unchained" from Intel. Also, Intel had this interesting Larabee project which was scrapped, Linus did a video on it sometime ago. Maybe they revive that. Any competition to Nvidia would be healthy - just look what happened with Intel on the CPU market. Suddenly they could "innovate" and suddenly top tier CPUs become available in desktops. That's the kind of magic boost a little competition does. Speaking of which, we could really use a competing space game right now, but I digress.

My money is still on Nvidia next gen (7nm), regarding CPU I'm not so sure. My next rig could as well run AMD CPU. Also their "keeping the socket unchanged" thing is somewhat compelling, and they previously kept that promise. That said I intend to buy something powerful which I hope will last a few years like surprisingly i5 did.
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
StarLightPL said:
It will be interesting to see what Intel brings to the table. I also read some rumours that Koduri didn't get along with the AMD CEO, Lisa Su. I wonder if we will see "Koduri Unchained" from Intel. Also, Intel had this interesting Larabee project which was scrapped, Linus did a video on it sometime ago. Maybe they revive that. Any competition to Nvidia would be healthy - just look what happened with Intel on the CPU market. Suddenly they could "innovate" and suddenly top tier CPUs become available in desktops. That's the kind of magic boost a little competition does. Speaking of which, we could really use a competing space game right now, but I digress.

My money is still on Nvidia next gen (7nm), regarding CPU I'm not so sure. My next rig could as well run AMD CPU. Also their "keeping the socket unchanged" thing is somewhat compelling, and they previously kept that promise. That said I intend to buy something powerful which I hope will last a few years like surprisingly i5 did.
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I am also impatient to see what Intel will create as a discrete card.

Intel will shake Nvidia ? The challenge will be difficult however.
 

Morbad

Morbad
StarLightPL said:
I highly doubt that, I think they will be aiming at the mid-range market where the best money is made, I suppose.
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It's likely an offshoot of their deep learning push (deep learning compute hardware is so close to graphics hardware that the same product can fill both niches and having a consumer market to recoup costs and subsidize professional parts is a big part of how NVIDIA and ATI killed off the old exclusively professional or consumer graphics chip designers like 3DLabs and 3DFX), which means they will probably be targeting the high-end segment as well, even if not initially.

Intel's lithography struggles shouldn't be used as an indicator either...they are just as capable of having TSMC build their designs as AMD and NVIDIA are.
 
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