Official Thargoid BGS Thread: Strategies and WTFrick! we are doing in the Pleiades

We’ve all seen the countless discussions errupting in the midst of threads concerning every aspect of the Thargoid Crisis in the Pleiades. But I have not seen a thread where the sole purpose is to sit down and get a feel for exactly where the majority of the population stands when it comes to the Crisis, and what our next course of action should be going forward.

I’ll start by saying that I am relatively new to the Pilot’s Federation, but I am not new to war and I consider what we have going on in the Pleiades very near to just that.

Why then have our governments done nothing but sit idly by as more and more stations come under attack? This is not some sort of humanitarian crisis/ natural disaster where our only option is to weather the storm, pick up the pieces, and carry on our jolly business, but that is exactly the spin I see being plugged on Galnet, when in reality what we have is a sentient collective of non-human organisms carrying out DELIBERATE and SUSTAINED HOSTILITIES against human targets throughout human space. That kind of scenario warrants immediate action to end the loss of human life. Any notion that allowing further attacks to continue based on some skewed idea of Xeno-diplomacy (“let them kill us, its the polite thing to do”) borders on criminal insanity.

The very first argument I see in support of complete inaction (!?!) is that we “started it.” First by occupying the Pleiades Sector (theorized to be the home territory of the Thargoid race), second by possibly firing first in isolated instances of first-contact, and potentially a tertiary effect attributed to the vandalism of Thargoid sites found throughout The Pleiades in systems such as Maia. That argument may be relevent to the overall crisis at the start of formal diplomacies, but here’s the thing: those diplomacies have not started yet! Human stations are currently being blasted to smitherines as we speak *re: if you happen to be reading this on a Thursday*. So the current idea that inaction is the best course of action in regards to protecting the safety of the innocent of our kind is in NO WAY related to how we proceed from here.

I have seen with my own eyes Ocellus stations laid to ruins, their habitat rings torn in half spewing remnants of human life into the cold vaccuum. I have seen bulk cargo vessels gutted from stem to stern with all lives lost minus the half dozen escape pods floating among countless other debris. I have seen a whole Faragut battle fleet, the pride of the Federation and symbol of unmatched strength across the galaxy, decimated beyond what fury man could bring upon other men.

“It’s our fault. We deserve it.”

I had some understanding for our government leaders when the crisis first started. It was all so unclear when the first three stations fell. Was it really the Thargoids, or was there some dark scheme unfolding from the depths of Aegis and the Sirius Corporation? Was there a misunderstanding resulting in premature hostilities, did things get out of hand? Was this a false flag operation? But now after weeks of the same, it is overwhelmingly clear that we have a shooting war happening right now in our backyard, full scale military operations with the intent to remove human prescence in that sector.

The question as to whether humanity needs to mobilize every man woman and child for the war effort can be discussed later. Right now, the way I see it, we cannot ignore this question any longer: what do we do in The Pleiades?

I’ll start. In my mind the fact that stations have been burned and fleets have been lost warrants a direct military response, but since the Thargoids have not yet pushed into humanity’s sovereign bubble, but rather kept hostilities within The Pleiades, an area of space now known to be contested, we are not forced into all-out-war and do have options.

1. EVACUATE The Pleiades. Remove all human prescence and retreat to an area of space adjacent to the bubble. Form phased lines of defense until all humans have been relocated, then form a fortified primary phase line facing out towards the Pleiades. A similar strategy as the Maginot Line that the French constructed after WW1, and the Siegfried Line later used by Germany. If the Thargoids attempt to break this line, unleash all we have against them. This may be the more economically feasible option as opposed to the current “strategy” of overtasking our merchant marine fleets with trasporting hundreds of megatons of raw materials and manpower to our damaged stations only for more to fall the next day and multiplying the rescue and rebuild efforts exponentially. As it stands we simply cannot sustain the current rate of station loss. Losing the remainder of our progress in the Pleiades in a full scale retreat might be staggering, but draining more precious resources and manpower away from The Bubble and dumping it into The Pleiades just to lose it all anyways under this current method of damage control could cripple humanity where it matters the most.

2. REINFORCE and fortify The Pleiades. Unite the major powers, if only temporarily, and send the bulk of the Imperial and Federal battle fleets along with all willing members of the Pilot’s Federation to fortify and defend our remaining systems. Seek out and destroy Thargoid contacts in the region to prevent more attacks. Occupy and defend remaining stations, give any prospective Thargoid marauders a formal welcome party should they choose to strike again. The more extreme but arguably more effective option here would be to declare martial law in the Pleiades and fully militarize the region, placing each station and outpost in a state of Military Lockdown while rolling local system defense forces into a kind of garrisoned naval reserve. Doubling down on The Pleiades and funneling tangible military might in the Thargoid’s faces sends a clear message, while at the same time preventing more needless loss of life.

I’ve presented my proposed courses of action but it seems like until the rest of our voices are heard, our governments will continue to pretend like what we are doing in the Pleiades now is working.

Please weigh in on this. The only way to stop more lives from being lost is to do something. The question is: what.
 
You have to step out of character a bit for the proper explanation imo. Frontier aren't exactly stellar at telling stories in Elite. Don't get me wrong, the game is stellar, but the story, specifically how it has unfolded, is daft.

I think that the reason human factions haven't begun fighting the Thargoids in earnest is that either the story is being drawn out, or there are some technical limitations.

I suspect that we will see fighting "soon" though, or it is at least intended, as the recent live streams leaked a couple of new galactic map filters designed to show guardian and thargoid systems.
 
'This foe is beyond any of us'. We need to seek out the remaining Guardians... there must be some hidden away... and recruit their help.
 

2. REINFORCE and fortify The Pleiades. Unite the major powers, if only temporarily, and send the bulk of the Imperial and Federal battle fleets along with all willing members of the Pilot’s Federation to fortify and defend our remaining systems. …

AEGIS is the joint research operation of the Alliance, Empire and Federation. They try to find out what the Thargoids want and do. They try to find out their weakness and they try to develop effective weapons.

The Federation lost battle fleets and retreated as it became clear that capital ships are completely vulnerable to the Thargoid shutdown field weapons.
The Empire then retreated from the Pleiades for the same reason.

The attacks on space stations shows an other devastating power of the Thargoids since they can use that shutdown field to take down whole stations and turning them completely vulnerable to their attacks.

AEGIS is trying to develop shutdown field neutralizers capable to protect capital ships, but until now they haven't been successful.

That's why members of the Pilots Federation are basically the only ones who are capable to take on Thargoids - and even then just barely.


Creating a defense line at the edge of the bubble is not an option since large scale defense against Thargoids attacks is not possible.

Evacuating the Pleiades would only be an option if the Thargoids won't invade the bubble.
There is no evidence that they will stop if humanity retreats from the Pleiades region. There is the possibility that the Thargoids want a war for their own reasons (Thargoid "civil war" and using humanity as a shield against an other Thargoid faction).

Repairing stations in the Pleiades might be our only chance to keep the Thargoids away from the bubble. By providing new targets in the Pleiades the reasons to attack stations in the bubble might be reduced.

Whatever we decide to do, it won't be glorious.
 
OP is massively over-thinking the situation, with regard to the majority of players, I'm afraid.

There are 3 options which summarise the opinions of the vast majority of players (IMO):-

1) Thargoid stuff is to be ignored.
2) Thargoid stuff is an excuse for pew-pew.
3) Thargoid stuff is an excuse for pew-pwe with the people pew-pewing Thargoids.


There may well be more to the Thargoid situation but it can't be of interest to players unless the dev's throw us a bone to gnaw on.
When the only tool you're given is an AX hammer...
 
We should pull out of the Pleiades. We didn't realize they had claimed it already, but it's clear they did. To reinforce our invasive outposts is to escalate the conflict.

There is no evidence that they will stop if humanity retreats from the Pleiades region.

There is no evidence they'll keep going, either.

But there is evidence they think of the Pleiades region as "theirs" and do not have an aggressive attitude overall:

1) The UA Bubble, centered around Merpoe
2) All hostile Thargoid activity is and has been there
3) Pre-existing Thargoid presence in the region
4) Thargoid non-hostility to individual human CMDR's, unless provoked
5) Thargoid non-hyperdiction of human CMDR's who have not attacked them or their technology (I've never been hyperdicted, been in the region PLENTY though)
 
We should pull out of the Pleiades. We didn't realize they had claimed it already, but it's clear they did. To reinforce our invasive outposts is to escalate the conflict.



There is no evidence they'll keep going, either.

But there is evidence they think of the Pleiades region as "theirs" and do not have an aggressive attitude overall:

1) The UA Bubble, centered around Merpoe
2) All hostile Thargoid activity is and has been there
3) Pre-existing Thargoid presence in the region
4) Thargoid non-hostility to individual human CMDR's, unless provoked
5) Thargoid non-hyperdiction of human CMDR's who have not attacked them or their technology (I've never been hyperdicted, been in the region PLENTY though)

Point 5 is false, I've been hyperdicted and at the time, had never had any interaction with them or their technology.
 
Way above my pay grade chief, but I'm all for trying to hold the line out here in the Pleiades. Otherwise we are surely risking the conflict rolling up to the borders of more populated systems.

At the same time we have to be realistic, right now our technology is far inferior to everything we have seen. Spreading our force trying to hold every starport out here doesn't seem very smart to me. Neither does repairing them in place, would it not be easier acquiring or building replacements from within the bubble for the most strategically important bases.
 
My current official policy on the Thargoids and Aegis:

It is unambiguously true that Thargoids have attacked human ships and stations. What is unclear is their motivations behind the attack, and whether this is unprovoked or a response to some human action that is currently unknown to us, the pilots. Until such time that these questions are resolved and unequivocal evidence presented, my only actions are guarded observation, organized retreat when engaged in hostilities, and to aid in evacuation of civilians and the rebuilding of damaged infrastructure. In regards to Aegis, there is currently no unequivocal evidence that they are fully acting in the best interests of humanity, therefore my only interactions with them are guarded skepticism. With my current directive to provide humanitarian relief in the Pleiades, my aims and the aims of Aegis may coincidentally align, but only in order to mitigate the effects of Thargoid hostilities on innocent civilians.
 
Point 5 is false, I've been hyperdicted and at the time, had never had any interaction with them or their technology.

Were you attacked or did it just give you a looksee?

I've been close to a few Thargoids, and have only been scanned (Don't tell me scanning is an act of war, or we will have to start shooting our own stations). I'm convinced we've missed something somewhere as regards the Thargoids, alien or not, the current behaviour of the Thargoids does not stack up.

If you think they are dangerous now, let's hope they don't learn to attack in wings...or call for help. No way are Pew-Pew tactics on our part going to resolve this matter.
 
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Interesting. I think you're the first I've heard of, then. Never shot a UA or harvested a barnacle?

I harvested a barnacle for engineering, but have no AX weapons etc. I didn't deploy weapons, it just scanned me and went away. I remember hearing that our behaviour would influence theirs, well so far all have done is "open fire! all weapons". Well...sorry but as far as I can see from what we've discovered as regards how we defeated them last time, intrinsically we cheated, and that may not be an option this time around (or if it is, then it will be because Braben and his crew throw humanity a lifebelt).

Braben and the Devs are not the normal game creators, they are using smart tactics, and all we seem to have is the training from a thousand previous games that say "Kill the alien/zombie//whatever!".

LMAO, I'm waiting for the salt when they open the Col70 region and the hordes rush in...and don't come back out, I'm going to sit back with my popcorn and count the "Unfair!!!" cries. :D
 
One of my biggest concerns with the Thargoids is that we have no concept of their overall numbers. We have no idea how many of them there are or even where they are coming from, and know very little about them in terms of their physiology amd properties. By contrast, signs seem to point to them knowing quite a bit about us. Our weapons and technology research centers were some of the first places to get hit; they know what our space stations look like and how they work, enough to disable them without outright destroying them. I can only assume they have at least some insight into how many of us there are and where we come from.

Unless they are poorly informed and wildly underestimating our numbers, they must know that we sit somewhere in the hundreds of billions across our combined systems... yet they still chose to attack us in the Pleiades.

Confidence in numbers/capabilities. Or a bluff.

Call the bluff, like Aegis has been doing, or fold and get our people out of harms way as quickly as possible.

In the mean time we relocate Aegis and transform the research element into a fixed base of operation closer to the bubble with a mobile expeditionary team that ventures in and out of The Pleiades to gather data. Continue to find a means to combat the Thargoids, should they follow us.

But I suspect they will not. There may not be hard evidence that will cease hostilities after we leave the Pleiades, but deductive reasoning points to it. Their resurgence after years of no contact coincides with humans pushing into The Pleiades.
 
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