Old school mining & DSS

SlickPBW

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It seems that a mining ship must have a DSS in order to see the new ring hotspots. I tested this last night by probing a ring with a ship fitted with a DSS and when I came back later with my mining ship, with no DSS, I couldn’t see or target the hotspots. I don’t understand why this game mechanic forces a mining ship to have a DSS to be able to use hotspots; especially in light of the heavy slot requirements to fit all the other mining equipment.

If I’m intending to just use mining lasers (old school), and not fit the new mining equipment on my old mining Cutter, what advantages or disadvantages are there for mining in a hotspot? Are the yields so much higher that it justifies installing a DSS? I know that opinions will vary but I would like to hear the thoughts of the experienced miners. Thanks!
 

DMaster

DMaster
The main disadvantage is, that you will not get the high valuable materials with a price of about 200.000 Credits per ton.
 
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Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
SlickPBW said:
It seems that a mining ship must have a DSS in order to see the new ring hotspots. I tested this last night by probing a ring with a ship fitted with a DSS and when I came back later with my mining ship, with no DSS, I couldn’t see or target the hotspots.
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Still? I was hoping that had been fixed.

Good news is that if you're just doing old-style laser mining the hotspots aren't particularly important ... and if you're doing new-style core mining you don't need anywhere near as many collectors so you can spare a slot for the DSS.

It's when you're trying to do both at once you'll run out of slots, but I'm not sure that's necessarily a sensible thing to try to do.
 

CMDR Corlas

CMDR Corlas
DMaster said:
The main disadvantage is, that you will not get the high valuable materials with a price of about 200.000 Credits per ton.
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Are those even accessible to legacy miners? I've only ever seen those in deep-cores.

I am pretty sure if you're just legacy mining, hot spots are irrelevant to you.
 
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Alderius

Alderius
I have a mining Anaconda that I've used in the past, thought I'd add all the new tools and try the new mechanics. I was pretty disappointed.
I did the DSS probe and found a hotspot for some new mineral (don't recall the name), so flew to that location. Using the wave scanner is a waste of time, it only shows high concentrations of "something", unfortunately for me RNGesus was not my copilot and all I found was indite, bertrandite, gallite etc etc. 20-40% concentrations of stuff that's worthless. I tried the subsurface tools to see if it made things better, but the effort to extract a bit more indite from the internals of a rock is again pointless. After 40 minutes of chasing "high concentration" wave scanner targets, it was a total waste of time as no valuable products were found nor the new mineral. Of all of the high concentration useless roids, none had fissures, so I couldn't crack anything open to see what was inside. In the end, I did the old school prospector mining and in 10 minutes gathered up 30 tons of 3p. So really, other than night vision, the new tools are a total waste of time.
So to sum up: DSS useless as the hotspots didn't actually yield anything. Wave scanner useless as it doesn't yield any high value product. Subsurface drilling useless as there is no high value product is revealed by the wave scanner (you only get subsurface stuff from the wave scanner indicated roids). Charges useless as no roids with fissures were shown. I'm going to try again until my limpets are used up, but as always, the reality certainly hasn't lived up to the hype for me.
 

Alderius

Alderius
SlickPBW said:
What about a Painite hotspot? Does this also only apply to core miners?
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In the entire ring that I used a probe on, only a single hotspot showed up for some new mineral. After an hour at the location, I couldn't find it with or without the save scanner. Considering that result, whether or not you find a Painite "hotspot" wouldn't matter.
 

Ephraim Stone

Ephraim Stone
SlickPBW said:
It seems that a mining ship must have a DSS in order to see the new ring hotspots. I tested this last night by probing a ring with a ship fitted with a DSS and when I came back later with my mining ship, with no DSS, I couldn’t see or target the hotspots. I don’t understand why this game mechanic forces a mining ship to have a DSS to be able to use hotspots; especially in light of the heavy slot requirements to fit all the other mining equipment.

If I’m intending to just use mining lasers (old school), and not fit the new mining equipment on my old mining Cutter, what advantages or disadvantages are there for mining in a hotspot? Are the yields so much higher that it justifies installing a DSS? I know that opinions will vary but I would like to hear the thoughts of the experienced miners. Thanks!
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I believe the benefits of going to a hotspot are "significant". But more importantly, once you've done the scan once and found the hotspots, the data persists. So if you have a regular mining system, scan the rings, and then you can ditch the module?

Edit: other reports above seem to differ, so maybe I'm wrong?!
 
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CMDR-AD

CMDR-AD
SlickPBW said:
It seems that a mining ship must have a DSS in order to see the new ring hotspots. I tested this last night by probing a ring with a ship fitted with a DSS and when I came back later with my mining ship, with no DSS, I couldn’t see or target the hotspots. I don’t understand why this game mechanic forces a mining ship to have a DSS to be able to use hotspots; especially in light of the heavy slot requirements to fit all the other mining equipment.

If I’m intending to just use mining lasers (old school), and not fit the new mining equipment on my old mining Cutter, what advantages or disadvantages are there for mining in a hotspot? Are the yields so much higher that it justifies installing a DSS? I know that opinions will vary but I would like to hear the thoughts of the experienced miners. Thanks!
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In the beta, I scanned rings of interest with the DSS, and then removed the DSS module from my ship. I dropped in anywhere, and the mining experience was fine.

And it's completely possible to find breakable asteroids filled with the super-valuable new resources even without the DSS fitted. I was Core mining in a Mamba, which had no room for a DSS, and finding 4 or 5 breakable asteroids, most filled with new super-valuable resources, per mining session.

Maybe there is some few percent of bonus to be had in a HotSpot. I don't know, but I'm not going to sweat such a small loss. For my mining trips, I'm satisfied to come back to port with $6 to $10 million credits worth of mined resources. And even with no DSS installed, I could do this with ease.
 

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SlickPBW said:
It seems that a mining ship must have a DSS in order to see the new ring hotspots. I tested this last night by probing a ring with a ship fitted with a DSS and when I came back later with my mining ship, with no DSS, I couldn’t see or target the hotspots. I don’t understand why this game mechanic forces a mining ship to have a DSS to be able to use hotspots; especially in light of the heavy slot requirements to fit all the other mining equipment.

If I’m intending to just use mining lasers (old school), and not fit the new mining equipment on my old mining Cutter, what advantages or disadvantages are there for mining in a hotspot? Are the yields so much higher that it justifies installing a DSS? I know that opinions will vary but I would like to hear the thoughts of the experienced miners. Thanks!
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According to the training video, yeah, hotspots have higher yields. I think I toiced the same while laser mining them. I laser mined a platinum hotspot and the yields seemed comparable to a RES
 
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