Modes On Chilling Out About the Modes

[Phisto Sobanii]

Since that infamous attack on Mobius and my own experience since joining Loren's Legion I've been thinking a lot about competition in Elite and how it relates to the Modes.

Of course, I'm known now as an 'Opener' and have attempted to promote playing in that mode as much as possible. Probably said some things I wouldn't now, but hey, that's the price of evolving your position ain't it?

So here's the thing. The game is what the game is. It's Frontier's baby and they're gonna do what they see fit. We can say what we like of course and things will go from there. I get that. All good. When it comes to me as a player though I just can't get all that worked up about what Mode people choose to play in. You do you, pick what's appropriate to the experience you want, and have some fun.

That said.

Do I think Open provides the superior Elite experience and the chance to tell stories you just can't in Solo and Private Group? Yes.

Do I think it's lame to knowingly attack another player group's BgS or PowerPlay in Solo and Private Group? Yes.

Will I still get fired up and want to slap everyone I see? Probably.

Going forward what I'll try to do is promote Open Play in the interest of encouraging satisfying game play for everyone. I want to share what I love about Open Play, first and foremost.

In any case, thanks for reading and have a nice day.

 

[Jockey79]

Since that infamous attack on Mobius and my own experience since joining Loren's Legion I've been thinking a lot about competition in Elite and how it relates to the Modes.

Of course, I'm known now as an 'Opener' and have attempted to promote playing in that mode as much as possible. Probably said some things I wouldn't now, but hey, that's the price of evolving your position ain't it?

So here's the thing. The game is what the game is. It's Frontier's baby and they're gonna do what they see fit. We can say what we like of course and things will go from there. I get that. All good. When it comes to me as a player though I just can't get all that worked up about what Mode people choose to play in. You do you, pick what's appropriate to the experience you want, and have some fun.

That said.

Do I think Open provides the superior Elite experience and the chance to tell stories you just can't in Solo and Private Group? Yes.

Do I think it's lame to knowingly attack another player group's BgS or PowerPlay in Solo and Private Group? Yes.

Will I still get fired up and want to slap everyone I see? Probably.

Going forward what I'll try to do is promote Open Play in the interest of encouraging satisfying game play for everyone. I want to share what I love about Open Play, first and foremost.

In any case, thanks for reading and have a nice day.

Calling other peoples legitimate play styles "lame" and saying your chosen mode is "superior" does not help you promote Open Mode.
It just reinforces the stereotype that open is full arrogant / selfish people, which will put some folks off open right away.
Plus it also makes us wonder what type of people Loren's Legion is made up with, as we can assume your are all of similar personalities.

So all you've achieved by being derogatory to other players and modes, you've made open look bad, your guild look bad and yourself look bad.
Now if you'd try to promote open without the mode snobbery attitude and without insulting others, you may actually encourage people to move to Open Mode.

 

[Marra Morgan]

Calling other peoples legitimate play styles "lame" and saying your chosen mode is "superior" does not help you promote Open Mode.
It just reinforces the stereotype that open is full arrogant / selfish people, which will put some folks off open right away.
Plus it also makes us wonder what type of people Loren's Legion is made up with, as we can assume your are all of similar personalities.

So all you've achieved by being derogatory to other players and modes, you've made open look bad, your guild look bad and yourself look bad.
Now if you'd try to promote open without the mode snobbery attitude and without insulting others, you may actually encourage people to move to Open Mode.

Your opinion is appreciated, thanks for contributing!

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

Calling other peoples legitimate play styles "lame" and saying your chosen mode is "superior" does not help you promote Open Mode.
It just reinforces the stereotype that open is full arrogant / selfish people, which will put some folks off open right away.
Plus it also makes us wonder what type of people Loren's Legion is made up with, as we can assume your are all of similar personalities.

So all you've achieved by being derogatory to other players and modes, you've made open look bad, your guild look bad and yourself look bad.
Now if you'd try to promote open without the mode snobbery attitude and without insulting others, you may actually encourage people to move to Open Mode.

I'm not playing politics with this, Jockey. I'm just a guy speaking from the heart.

Regarding your points, I'll clarify thus:

'Open is the superior Elite: Dangerous experience' based on my experience and many others. You're fine to disagree with that, especially if your experience doesn't match up. When I say superior, I mean a players level of satisfaction will be greater than if they do all their play in Solo or Private.

'Attacking from Solo or Private is lame' because your enemy should have the opportunity to defend or at least identify who is attacking their BgS. It's also just more fun in Open (as I found with the Coma War and the handful of BgS operations the Legion has conducted).

If you still find this derogatory and arrogant I'm sorry to hear that. I can only suggest trying to look past our previous disagreements and try not being so sensitive to a person's tone or word choice. Besides, who cares what I think? It's not like I can stop people from doing what they want.

Cheers.

 

[Bigmaec]

Open is definitely more risky and thrilling. Therein lies the problem though. Not everyone wants that.
And I agree on the BGS in open stuff.

I'm spending more and more time in open nowadays, today the whole day. It is another experience.
I was at 5 engineers and nearly gotten ganked only once (I get better yay).

I think a very important thing to make the experience better for everyone is getting rid of the toxicity between the "PvPers" and "PvEers".
Elite is a fantastic game, and I can understand that people want the thrill. I also can understand if people just want to deliver some stuff,
without the risk, just to chill or for whatever reason. And that is totally ok.
The other side (people wanting to gank others) is ok, too. From my point of view it's morally bad, but that's only my opinion. It's within the game rules.
You agree to that if you click "open"

edit: can't rep you OP and while typing that I crashed into Malthus terminal

 

[StalkerMac]

Being a BGS player I agree fully that open should be the BGS norm, I also agree it gives the opposite side the chance to defend and shows there is no underhandedness. Everybody has the right also to voice their opinions about the games dynamics as we all play in our own unique way.

Open allows people to meet and whether that be friendly or the opposite this is something you cannot do that in solo and group mode, all you get are NPC's. Like I said we all have a right to have and voice our opinions after all it is a forum and feel Cmdr Phisto was only voicing the way in which he sees things to which I tend to agree as he makes some valid points.

Fly safe Cmdr's
o7

 

[Jockey79]

I'm not playing politics with this, Jockey. I'm just a guy speaking from the heart.

I'm not playing politics either, just trying to point out that if you want to encourage people to move from Solo/PG to Open.
Calling them or their play style "lame" or declaring your way is "superior" to theirs isn't the way to do it.
If anything that will just alienate folks and put them off even more. Or they could be vindictive and mess with your clans holdings (if you have any) from Solo/PG.

But I suppose it depends on how serious you are on promoting Open Mode really.
Because right now it doesn't seem like you are. That post just looks like your way of taking a few cheap shots at other players.

Personally I find taking about the benefits of a mode without disrespecting others works quite well to get folks to try a mode they've not used before.
People tend to respond better towards helpful insights, offers of assistance getting started and towards people who are being nice.

Take my advice on board, don't take it on board, it's down to you of course.
You're free to post as you wish just like everyone else.
Either way, good luck converting people.

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

Being a BGS player I agree fully that open should be the BGS norm, I also agree it gives the opposite side the chance to defend and shows there is no underhandedness. Everybody has the right also to voice their opinions about the games dynamics as we all play in our own unique way.

Open allows people to meet and whether that be friendly or the opposite this is something you cannot do that in solo and group mode, all you get are NPC's. Like I said we all have a right to have and voice our opinions after all it is a forum and feel Cmdr Phisto was only voicing the way in which he sees things to which I tend to agree as he makes some valid points.

Fly safe Cmdr's
o7

Thanks, Stalker.

By the way, that little BgS war we had between NF and EXO was a ton of fun. I'm sure you heard, but we all had a blast with that.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Calling other peoples legitimate play styles "lame" and saying your chosen mode is "superior" does not help you promote Open Mode.
It just reinforces the stereotype that open is full arrogant / selfish people, which will put some folks off open right away.
Plus it also makes us wonder what type of people Loren's Legion is made up with, as we can assume your are all of similar personalities.

So all you've achieved by being derogatory to other players and modes, you've made open look bad, your guild look bad and yourself look bad.
Now if you'd try to promote open without the mode snobbery attitude and without insulting others, you may actually encourage people to move to Open Mode.

Now that is ironic coming from you!

LOL!

 

[Asp Explorer]

Mmmm - I've got a "broken" Cisco RV in for inspection - and it looks like it's ACL was written by a clueless arts graduate.

Maybe I'll test it in Open this afternoon

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

I do realize that you didn't mention Open Only explicitly but what else do you have in mind with your OP?

Not much beyond getting some thoughts to paper and perhaps provoking some thought. It's all a journey, you know? Guess this is a bit of a sign post for me.

 

[Jellicoe]

I've had a long journey in this game, playing since release, I started in a two man PG with my brother because I wanted to immerse myself in the universe and lore and felt that other human players would break that, so I traded, fought and took in the sights. It was fun, I saw the story begin to take shape and tried to interact with it, then things changed, my brother gradually played less and less and I joined the Children of Raxxla, I began playing in open and found it actually enhanced my immersion and enjoyment, we encountered another unknown player group close to our space, what's more they were French and having some basic knowledge of their language I played a part in our first contact - trying to communicate and establish relations with strange ships without a shared language was awesome game play and since then I've played almost exclusively in open, I've run blockaded at CG's, tried to impose blockades at CG's, defended systems BGS, attacked others BGS all the while dodging or hunting enemy players, and like Phisto while I'm not going to call anyone for the way they play the game for me open is simply on a different scale of magnitude for enjoyment, possibilities and sheer nerve jangling, adrenaline filled excitement. I'm now with Loren's Legion and loving the open only approach.

 

[Yolanta Purpura]

I totally agree that Open Mode offers an enhanced experience to the player, and it's all down to the possibilities it presents for interaction with other players. Much is said about the "negative aspect" of this, namely the griefers and the gankers. But Open offers "positive" interactions too, some of which are nice surprises. The following anecdote is one I've told elsewhere, but I feel it's appropriate to this thread.

Recently a friend and I winged up and went to explore a Guardian ruin. As we tootled around in our scarabs, a hollow square popped up on my scanner. Moments later a Python appeared overhead, deployed hardpoints and started firing. I immediately feared the worst, but then noticed the Python wasn't shooting at my friend and me, but into the ruins. It puzzled us, though we were happy that we weren't the Python's targets. We carried on with our explorations.

After several minutes, the Python commander hailed us, saying he'd destroyed the Guardian Sentinels and that we could safely harvest the materials. This was a wonderful and totally unexpected gesture, and stands as a lovely example of the benefits of Open Mode.

 

[wrmiller]

I can have the same experience in Mobius, or a PG. Not having to deal with the deranged kiddies found in open is just icing on the cake IMO.

The last time I played in open, I was in a haz res when a open square appeared. Rare, but it happens. The open square was a smaller ship (I was in the vette) and was being wary around me. I went about my business, as did they. I noticed they were having trouble with a FDL so I wandered over and crippled the FDL and then turned away, leaving the kill for them. I took on a FGS/Clipper wing and noticed the open square trying to help. I took the FGS, and crippled the Clipper for them.

Things were going well when a couple more open squares showed up. I kept my eye on them but continued on. It didn't take long for two open squares to start firing at me. I was like 'really?'. Then a couple more open squares showed up and started firing. I considered killing the Clipper in front of me (idiot was face tanking a vette) but decided I really wasn't interested, so I stripped his shields and low-waked out.

A good time ruined by some idiots. I haven't been back in open since.

 

[Brrokk]

I can have the same experience in Mobius, or a PG. Not having to deal with the deranged kiddies found in open is just icing on the cake IMO.

The last time I played in open, I was in a haz res when a open square appeared. Rare, but it happens. The open square was a smaller ship (I was in the vette) and was being wary around me. I went about my business, as did they. I noticed they were having trouble with a FDL so I wandered over and crippled the FDL and then turned away, leaving the kill for them. I took on a FGS/Clipper wing and noticed the open square trying to help. I took the FGS, and crippled the Clipper for them.

Things were going well when a couple more open squares showed up. I kept my eye on them but continued on. It didn't take long for two open squares to start firing at me. I was like 'really?'. Then a couple more open squares showed up and started firing. I considered killing the Clipper in front of me (idiot was face tanking a vette) but decided I really wasn't interested, so I stripped his shields and low-waked out.

A good time ruined by some idiots. I haven't been back in open since.

I'll echo that with another example. Two of us (FdL and Python) were in Open having a good time in a res. An Asp entered. We decided to send him a wing invite, but by the time my friend had clicked to send it, he was gone! It's easy to understand why and in his situation I would have done the same. I find Mobius the superior game experience because you can meet people much more easily.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

I'll echo that with another example. Two of us (FdL and Python) were in Open having a good time in a res. An Asp entered. We decided to send him a wing invite, but by the time my friend had clicked to send it, he was gone! It's easy to understand why and in his situation I would have done the same. I find Mobius the superior game experience because you can meet people much more easily.

Mobius has a much smaller player pool, so how exactly does that work?

 

[wrmiller]

Maybe his definition of 'easier' is simply not having to worry about getting attacked every time he sees a open square?

I can meet more people, faster in a large city than I can in a small town. But just because I can meet more people in a large city doesn't mean I will meet people I want to hang out with.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Maybe his definition of 'easier' is simply not having to worry about getting attacked every time he sees a open square?

I can meet more people, faster in a large city than I can in a small town. But just because I can meet more people in a large city doesn't mean I will meet people I want to hang out with.

I suggest you are drawing a false distinction between "attack" and "meet", game-wise.
I've met a lot of great individuals via attack or by being attacked.

Your chances are generally greater in a larger population, which open is by a wide margin.

 

[wrmiller]

I suggest you are drawing a false distinction between "attack" and "meet", game-wise.
I've met a lot of great individuals via attack or by being attacked.

Your chances are generally greater in a larger population, which open is by a wide margin.

And if he's not interested in "attack or being attacked"?

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

And if he's not interested in "attack or being attacked"?

That really doesn't change the math in regards to the claim he made.

I use the term "nocebo" at work a lot.
It's basically the opposite of a placebo, but unlike placebo it tends to last a long time, it might even permanent.

In evolutionary biology it's explained like this:
"It's better to mistake the stick for a snake, than a snake for a stick."
That is to say the biological consequences for picking up a snake can be severe, but not for "not picking up a stick".

So where does this tie in to Elite?
Well, when you have a bunch of, for lack of a better term, "carebears" constantly telling noobs what a horrible experience open is, especially when they get, Cod forbid!, get killed by another Cmdr!!!

"EEEEK!"

Well that is a perfect example of fear mongering and a nocebo.

There is nothing wrong with getting blown up.
Get over it folks.
Stop trying to convince everyone else that your(in general) hangups should apply to everyone else too.

Other than that, play your own way.