General / Off-Topic Online survey about killing daylight savings in the EU

Shadowdancer

Shadowdancer
The European Commission, in what seems to be a bout of common sense and reaction to public demand, has started a consultation on the end of daylight savings in the EU. They are asking if you are in favour or abolishing (if you aren't, I will find you and leave an angry message in your letterbox…), if you'd prefer eternal summer or winter, and even offer the opportunity to leave a few words.

Responses will be made public, but you can choose to remain anonymous.

The survey is at https://ec.europa.eu/eusurvey/runner/2018-summertime-arrangements and open until Mid-August. The servers may temporarily be a bit busy, and the session time limit is fairly short, so maybe write your 3000-letter survey in advance so you can just paste it in.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
Robin of Spiritwood said:
:S

Here on the Equator, we don't have the issue.
What's the problem with the current situation?
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People find it to be mildly inconvenient changing clocks, without thinking the benefits through.

The idea behind it is not to waste sunlight when most people are still in bed. UK sunrise is around 5am at the moment without DST it would be 4am which most people only see by staying up all night. Obviously it also has the knock on effect of more light in the summer evenings.
 

Shadowdancer

Shadowdancer
Stigbob said:
The idea behind it is not to waste sunlight when most people are still in bed. UK sunrise is around 5am at the moment without DST it would be 4am which most people only see by staying up all night. Obviously it also has the knock on effect of more light in the summer evenings.
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Which is of course completely bonkers reasoning because sunlight doesn't give a damn what's on the clock (nor, by the way, do cows or fruit), and it's dark in winter anyway. That's why I call for Eternal Summer.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
Shadowdancer said:
Which is of course completely bonkers reasoning because sunlight doesn't give a damn what's on the clock (nor, by the way, do cows or fruit), and it's dark in winter anyway. That's why I call for Eternal Summer.
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Adjusting timekeeping to follow the actual day and night cycle of the planet is about as far from being bonkers as you can get.
 

-VR- Max Factor

-VR- Max Factor
For the UK it should be kept a GMT. No reason for the change as the evening are long and the dark mornings are short in the summer even if it's kept at GMT. Then the scottish farmers have nothing to moan about either.
 

Winterwalker

Winterwalker
I always understood a safety aspect, to kids travelling to and from school, in the dark being a bad idea.

Stigbob said:
Adjusting timekeeping to follow the actual day and night cycle of the planet is about as far from being bonkers as you can get.
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Which obviously explains why the EU finds this an important and pressing matter to spend cash on. (Yuck).

SAVE FERRIS .. I mean .. DAYLIGHT!
 

Arry

Arry
Winterwalker said:
I always understood a safety aspect, to kids travelling to and from school, in the dark being a bad idea.



Which obviously explains why the EU finds this an important and pressing matter to spend cash on. (Yuck).

SAVE FERRIS .. I mean .. DAYLIGHT!
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This is not the actions of the 'E.U.', just some individuals who find DST inconvenient to them.
 

Rob At Work

R
Surely it would be easier to make the planet rotate more slowly in winter than to try to get the EU to agree to implement and respect a policy secured with a majority vote.
 
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Winterwalker

Winterwalker
Arry said:
This is not the actions of the 'E.U.', just some individuals who find DST inconvenient to them.
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Well, that's not quite what the OP says but even so, it does seem the European Union hasn't worked out that some of it's states are at higher latitude than others and hence some states more affected than others by a natural phenomenon outside even the EU's control. Not for lack of trying though I'm sure. <cynical o7>

The fact that they didn't say, "leave it up to individual states" Spain is not the same as Sweden, and throw it immediately out of court, kind of says it all imo.
 

sgurr

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Stigbob said:
Adjusting timekeeping to follow the actual day and night cycle of the planet is about as far from being bonkers as you can get.
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Yup.

Max Factor said:
For the UK it should be kept a GMT. No reason for the change as the evening are long and the dark mornings are short in the summer even if it's kept at GMT. Then the scottish farmers have nothing to moan about either.
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The problem with sticking with GMT year round is that most people (ie. not farmers) anywhere vaguely north in the UK don't see daylight after work at all in the winter.

Winterwalker said:
I always understood a safety aspect, to kids travelling to and from school, in the dark being a bad idea.
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This argument had been used to keep the status quo. Actually there's good evidence suggesting that dark mornings and lighter evenings lead to fewer accidents, leading to the theory that people are tired after work/school and having more light makes things safer.
If we abolish time changes in the UK we should stick with BST, personal preference aside it's probably better for the majority.
 

Zeeman

Zeeman
Why would you do this? Who wants the sun coming up at 3am? Seriously? Unless you want to keep Daylight savings as normal time, which I'd be all for in Sydney...

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