Optimal / Best mining spot

[Down To Earth Astronomy]

Hello commanders


I run a small Youtube channel, and during the research for a video in ice mining in 2.1 I came across a thread where people was arguing that when mining in a planet ring (not the ES) you should go to the areas of the ring with low rock density. The argument was that the way the game is programmed there should be the same amount of each mineral per volume as long as you are in the same ring. this would of cause mean that if you mine in an area with lower rock density you should get highers mineral concentrations.


I decided to test this for my self. If you don't feel like reading the rest of the thread here is a video on it.

[video=youtube;I7_nE3YRsu8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7_nE3YRsu8[/video]


What i did was i found a metallic ring and first i went into an area with high rock density and scanned 150 rocks. Each time a encountered a rock with either Palladium, Platinium or Painite i would write down the mineral density. Then i did the same for a low rock density area in the same ring.
With that data i computed the following.


* The change of finding a rock with a given mineral
* The mean mineral density in the rocks
* The Standard divination of the mean mineral density

The results are shown in the graph below.

At the x-axis is the mineral density of the rocks and at the y-axis is the change of getting a rock with that density OR HIGHER. So if we look at 0% mineral density we get the change of finding a rock with that material. An interesting point is that it looks like they all converge toward 0.5 % at 50% mineral density. To me it doesn't look like it matter if you go to an area with high or low rock density. The small variation are most likely statistical errors due to my low ensemble size.


As a final conclusion i would say that you should mine in the high rock density areas, be cause you spent less time flying between rocks.

EDIT

People have asked me to add the raw data so here it is (see attached document)

 

[YinYin]

Would be nice to see your actual values instead of curves.

As a final conclusion i would say that you should mine in the high rock density areas, be cause you spent less time flying between rocks.

Unless you have a fast ship that's slow to turn, but you mentioned that in the video.

Something else to test would be the very inside vs the very outside of a ring. Because the heavier rings (icy>rocky>rich>metallic) are always on the inside and that may also influence the material distribution within a ring.

 

[Down To Earth Astronomy]

Would be nice to see your actual values instead of curves.



Unless you have a fast ship that's slow to turn, but you mentioned that in the video.

Something else to test would be the very inside vs the very outside of a ring. Because the heavier rings (icy>rocky>rich>metallic) are always on the inside and that may also influence the material distribution within a ring.

Good point. I also want to test inside ES vs outside ES but i'm not sure how large the ES. how far can you go from the location before you are no long inside the ES?

 

[matemaster]

I made the same observation about asteroid density and precious stuff occurance.

my ideal mining spot would be:

1. Pristine metallic ofc
2. haz RES in the ring
3. ring is 100% iluminated by star so there is no night in the ring
4. Low density of asteroids
5. High security system

 

[Down To Earth Astronomy]

I made the same observation about asteroid density and precious stuff occurance.

my ideal mining spot would be:

1. Pristine metallic ofc
2. haz RES in the ring
3. ring is 100% iluminated by star so there is no night in the ring
4. Low density of asteroids
5. High security system

Why low density of asteroids? Are you using a larger / heavy ship?

 

[matemaster]

Why low density of asteroids? Are you using a larger / heavy ship?

because... read the first post in this thread

 

[Down To Earth Astronomy]

because... read the first post in this thread

So i guess yes

 

[YinYin]

2. haz RES in the ring
5. High security system

Why hazardous, yet high security?

 

[Down To Earth Astronomy]

Why hazardous, yet high security?

Dont you get higher bonus for mining in hazardous the in say low?

 

[Derath]

Dont you get higher bonus for mining in hazardous the in say low?

Yes but you also don't get security assistance, so the fact its high sec is pointless

 

[matemaster]

Yes but you also don't get security assistance, so the fact its high sec is pointless

Since 2.1 there are some sec. forces in haz RES but I think the new ones dont spawn there

 

[Muzz UK]

Ice Mining is not worth it at the moment needs a buff stick to rocks.

You are supposed to get a higher chance of the 3 P's in a RES site but I really don't think it's worth due to pirates, unless you have a wing to protect you or you can mine and shoot at the sametime (unlikely). I've not seen any bonuses as such only time I've seen bonuses for mining is missions or selling cargo in a wing for trade dividends/

My friends and I seem to find painite in the system we mine in closer to the planet we get, might just be luck but 4 of us seem to think so, might need testing by more people in the community.

I just tend to mine in a random spot close to a planet in a high security system and usually encounter pirates 1 in 20 runs.

Hope this info helps!

 

[Down To Earth Astronomy]

Ice Mining is not worth it at the moment needs a buff stick to rocks.

You are supposed to get a higher chance of the 3 P's in a RES site but I really don't think it's worth due to pirates, unless you have a wing to protect you or you can mine and shoot at the sametime (unlikely). I've not seen any bonuses as such only time I've seen bonuses for mining is missions or selling cargo in a wing for trade dividends/

My friends and I seem to find painite in the system we mine in closer to the planet we get, might just be luck but 4 of us seem to think so, might need testing by more people in the community.

I just tend to mine in a random spot close to a planet in a high security system and usually encounter pirates 1 in 20 runs.

Hope this info helps!

I will for sure test if the distance from the planet have any effect

 

[Long Star]

I made the same observation about asteroid density and precious stuff occurance.

my ideal mining spot would be:

1. Pristine metallic ofc
2. haz RES in the ring
3. ring is 100% iluminated by star so there is no night in the ring
4. Low density of asteroids
5. High security system

LOL

6. Corolios starport 5ls from planet with rings in boom paying the best prices in the galaxy too!

 

[Long Star]

Hello commanders


I run a small Youtube channel, and during the research for a video in ice mining in 2.1 I came across a thread where people was arguing that when mining in a planet ring (not the ES) you should go to the areas of the ring with low rock density. The argument was that the way the game is programmed there should be the same amount of each mineral per volume as long as you are in the same ring. this would of cause mean that if you mine in an area with lower rock density you should get highers mineral concentrations.


I decided to test this for my self. If you don't feel like reading the rest of the thread here is a video on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7_nE3YRsu8


What i did was i found a metallic ring and first i went into an area with high rock density and scanned 150 rocks. Each time a encountered a rock with either Palladium, Platinium or Painite i would write down the mineral density. Then i did the same for a low rock density area in the same ring.
With that data i computed the following.


* The change of finding a rock with a given mineral
* The mean mineral density in the rocks
* The Standard divination of the mean mineral density

The results are shown in the graph below.

https://c7.staticflickr.com/8/7525/27541336622_6f588f360f_h.jpg


At the x-axis is the mineral density of the rocks and at the y-axis is the change of getting a rock with that density OR HIGHER. So if we look at 0% mineral density we get the change of finding a rock with that material. An interesting point is that it looks like they all converge toward 0.5 % at 50% mineral density. To me it doesn't look like it matter if you go to an area with high or low rock density. The small variation are most likely statistical errors due to my low ensemble size.


As a final conclusion i would say that you should mine in the high rock density areas, be cause you spent less time flying between rocks.

This data doesn't make any sense. How is it possible you have data crossing? There are no trends here except Painite is rarer than Platinum and Platinum is rarer than Palladium. Post the Raw data that you took and don't try to extrapolate it on fancy tables which don't make any sense. Also when you say it doesn't matter where you mine. It absolutely does. NOT ALL PRISTINE METALLIC RINGS ARE EQUAL! Some have higher concentrations of materials than others.

You said you scanned rocks. Ok what method? Did you cut and read a fragment method? Did you use a prospector? If so what prospector controller type?

 

[Down To Earth Astronomy]

This data doesn't make any sense. How is it possible you have data crossing? There are no trends here except Painite is rarer than Platinum and Platinum is rarer than Palladium. Post the Raw data that you took and don't try to extrapolate it on fancy tables which don't make any sense. Also when you say it doesn't matter where you mine. It absolutely does. NOT ALL PRISTINE METALLIC RINGS ARE EQUAL! Some have higher concentrations of materials than others.

I know that not all rings are the same. This test was only to test if it matters where in a ring you should mine.
Of cause the lines can cross. If i get a lower mean but i higher standard deviation then the line will cross. I agree that this is most likely due to the low ensemble size which gives me some statistical errors So in reality they most likely should be the same, but this is the data i got so this is the data I will show.

 

[matemaster]

LOL

6. Corolios starport 5ls from planet with rings in boom paying the best prices in the galaxy too!

I wonder, about what did you Laughed Out Loud ?
6. for me its more than enough if the high paying system is one jump away from the mining spot

 

[YinYin]

this is the data i got so this is the data I will show.

You've only shown curves made from the data. We don't know where your data points are.

 

[Down To Earth Astronomy]

You've only shown curves made from the data. We don't know where your data points are.

I'll post the full dataset once i get home (currently at work)

 

[_trent_]

I am not convinced one way or the other if the mechanic isn't just RNG, but it will be dedicated and patient players like yourself who will find out conclusively if it is or if there is some way (other than pristine reserves) of improving our odds of getting higher value metals.

Have some rep.