Outfitting a Type 7

FredTA

FredTA
So I'm about to make the upgrade from Asp to T7, and I'm intending to buy it from Jameson Memorial in orbit around Founder's World, giving me a 10% discount, bringing the cost to about 16 mil.

What I'm wondering is, how much money should I be looking at having before I buy this thing? I don't want upgraded FSD or anything fancy, just enough for insurance, and to give it a little extra cargo space so it has more than the Asp, I can use the funds I get from trading in the T7 to max the cargo space later.

It's a bit of a trek to Founder's World and I would rather not get there only to find I don't have enough cash, so some advice would be very much appreciated.

Thanks,
Fred T.A
 

Zylark

Zylark
A decently kitted Type 7 (Class C FSD, all the rest class D, upgraded cargo-holds) will cost roughly 19 million without any discounts. Insurance for us mere mortals is 5% of total value (4% for Beta-backers, 3% for kickstarters), so roughly 1 million. On top of that you'll need about 1 to 2 million for the first few cargoes.

Personally I'll just skip the Type 7 and get the Imp Clipper instead. Sure, a bit more expensive, but I think it'll save me a lot of pain in the long run.
 

Quineloe

Quineloe
Zylark said:
Personally I'll just skip the Type 7 and get the Imp Clipper instead. Sure, a bit more expensive, but I think it'll save me a lot of pain in the long run.
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This. Clipper is the superior trade ship and just a little bit further ahead.
 

FredTA

FredTA
Zylark said:
A decently kitted Type 7 (Class C FSD, all the rest class D, upgraded cargo-holds) will cost roughly 19 million without any discounts. Insurance for us mere mortals is 5% of total value (4% for Beta-backers, 3% for kickstarters), so roughly 1 million. On top of that you'll need about 1 to 2 million for the first few cargoes.

Personally I'll just skip the Type 7 and get the Imp Clipper instead. Sure, a bit more expensive, but I think it'll save me a lot of pain in the long run.
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Thanks for the advice, yeah I was thinking of getting a clipper, but I think I may get the T7 first though, then grind my way up, I'm going a little stir crazy in my Asp, plus I'll need may need to buy another ship to complete the imperial navy rank ascension missions to get to baron (I'm currently knight)
 

Coccolino

Coccolino
The Type 7 CAN'T be skipped.
A Clipper with proper cargo hold and an FSD capable of 16LYs jump is around 30 Millions.
Type 7 around 20M, but their cargo is similar 232 vs 240. Compared to using an Asp, the way to the Clipper becomes way shorter if you buy a T7 to fill the 10M gap.
And trust me, with 5B thrusters the T7 is flyable very well. I was used to fly it without shields, because scratching it (96-97% hull) costs nothing (100-200 Cr).

Take into account 1million insurance for the T7, plus 3Millions for filling it with the most profitable goods 232t x Imperial Slaves, Palladium, Gold, etc. so let's say buy it when you have not less than 22-24M.

Insurance on the Clipper is 1.5M.
 

FredTA

FredTA
Coccolino said:
The Type 7 CAN'T be skipped.
A Clipper with proper cargo hold and an FSD capable of 16LYs jump is around 30 Millions.
Type 7 around 20M, but their cargo is similar 232 vs 240. Compared to using an Asp, the way to the Clipper becomes way shorter if you buy a T7 to fill the 10M gap.
And trust me, with 5B thrusters the T7 is flyable very well. I was used to fly it without shields, because scratching it (96-97% hull) costs nothing (100-200 Cr).

Take into account 1million insurance for the T7, plus 3Millions for filling it with the most profitable goods 232t x Imperial Slaves, Palladium, Gold, etc. so let's say buy it when you have not less than 22-24M.

Insurance on the Clipper is 1.5M.
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Yeah, this was my thinking too, I'm delighted to hear how low the cost of T7 repair is, I scratch my Asp even a few percent and it sets my back a few thousand.

(have some rep for the help :D )
 

Coccolino

Coccolino
FredTA said:
Thanks for the advice, yeah I was thinking of getting a clipper, but I think I may get the T7 first though, then grind my way up, I'm going a little stir crazy in my Asp, plus I'll need may need to buy another ship to complete the imperial navy rank ascension missions to get to baron (I'm currently knight)
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I bought a kitted Cobra while taking a break from trading. I parked the T7, stripped down a couple of valuable components, and had a wonderful week in a combat Cobra. Got Baron rank, sold the Cobra, back to T7 to finish the grind and now I fly a Clipper. It flies beyond anything I could imagine. I am astonished by it.
 

Quineloe

Quineloe
Coccolino said:
The Type 7 CAN'T be skipped.
A Clipper with proper cargo hold and an FSD capable of 16LYs jump is around 30 Millions.
Type 7 around 20M, but their cargo is similar 232 vs 240. Compared to using an Asp, the way to the Clipper becomes way shorter if you buy a T7 to fill the 10M gap.
And trust me, with 5B thrusters the T7 is flyable very well. I was used to fly it without shields, because scratching it (96-97% hull) costs nothing (100-200 Cr).

Take into account 1million insurance for the T7, plus 3Millions for filling it with the most profitable goods 232t x Imperial Slaves, Palladium, Gold, etc. so let's say buy it when you have not less than 22-24M.

Insurance on the Clipper is 1.5M.
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the repair cost is currently a copy paste bug from the Type 6. Type 7 should cost a lot more to repair, and you can expect this to be fixed soon.

And of course you can skip the type 7. And you definitely should if you want the Clipper, as the type 7 will instantly set you back 1700k, which you won't make back in in the little time it takes to get the extra money
 

FredTA

FredTA
Coccolino said:
I bought a kitted Cobra while taking a break from trading. I parked the T7, stripped down a couple of valuable components, and had a wonderful week in a combat Cobra. Got Baron rank, sold the Cobra, back to T7 to finish the grind and now I fly a Clipper. It flies beyond anything I could imagine. I am astonished by it.
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Glad to hear, I'm getting hyped :D
 

Leighroy

Leighroy
About 25 million should do it. The standard FSD is rubbish. It slowed me up so much that I was actually making money quicker in my Asp. You need money for the rebuy and to buy trade goods.
 

FredTA

FredTA
Quineloe said:
the repair cost is currently a copy paste bug from the Type 6. Type 7 should cost a lot more to repair, and you can expect this to be fixed soon.

And of course you can skip the type 7. And you definitely should if you want the Clipper, as the type 7 will instantly set you back 1700k, which you won't make back in in the little time it takes to get the extra money
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Interesting about the repair thing. I think you're forgetting though that you can just sell the T7 afterwards, albeit for a slightly reduced price, as Coccolino said the T7 isn't just 22 mil, you want insurance, and decent outfitting and enough on the side to buy cargo.

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Leighroy said:
About 25 million should do it. The standard FSD is rubbish. It slowed me up so much that I was actually making money quicker in my Asp. You need money for the rebuy and to buy trade goods.
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Oh really? what's the jump range?
 

Iskariot

Iskariot
Zylark said:
Personally I'll just skip the Type 7 and get the Imp Clipper instead. Sure, a bit more expensive, but I think it'll save me a lot of pain in the long run.
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I went from T7 to Clipper because if you want to decently outfit the Clipper it is very expensive. Also when you scratch it it might cost a fortune to repair it.

The Clipper is much more fun to fly, because it is more versatile. You can have a decent freighter, but (at the cost of cargo space) also a capable combat ship.
For those who like to be able to haul cargo, but at the same time want to be able to hunt for bounty at a whim, the Clipper is a great versatile ship.
At the moment I am hauling Paladium and I pay for my fuel by hunting pirates while traveling from station to station.
For me this is the ideal way of playing the game. Exclusively trading bores me, but the combination of combat and trading is great fun.
It is a bit of a risk though to attack Anacondas with a hold full of Paladium worth 2 million, but I just can't help myself :).
Anything below a Python is virtually risk free extra cash when you have 2 C3 beamlasers.
 

FredTA

FredTA
Quineloe said:
I don't think I am, see where I say "a type 7 will set you back 1700k"? That's the money you lose.
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Whoops, my bad. Personally I feel each method is probably equal efficient then, (all though I could well be wrong), I think I'll get a T7 anyways for the sake of variety, never piloted one before.

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Iskariot said:
I went from T7 to Clipper because if you want to decently outfit the Clipper it is very expensive. Also when you scratch it it might cost a fortune to repair it.

The Clipper is much more fun to fly, because it is more versatile. You can have a decent freighter, but (at the cost of cargo space) also a capable combat ship.
For those who like to be able to haul cargo, but at the same time want to be able to hunt for bounty at a whim, the Clipper is a great versatile ship.
At the moment I am hauling Paladium and I pay for my fuel by hunting pirates while traveling from station to station.
For me this is the ideal way of playing the game. Exclusively trading bores me, but the combination of combat and trading is great fun.
It is a bit of a risk though to attack Anacondas with a hold full of Paladium worth 2 million, but I just can't help myself :).
Anything below a Python is virtually risk free extra cash when you have 2 C3 beamlasers.
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Nice idea, personally I just trade but with a podcast on in the background, or the TV on ploughing through box sets, Battlestar and Stargate Atlantis are some of my favourites...

..Christ I'm such a nerd
 

Quineloe

Quineloe
Type 7 to start trading: 20131k

http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=30X,,2-3I8S886u5K5U8I,0AA0AA08c08c7Re07203w03w

because anything below B FSD is just too low

Type 7 with A FSD is 23534k

So we're looking at 14.08 or 17.29 jumpies

Clipper on the other hand also needs B-FSD
25937k
A FSD 29340k

http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=303,,2-4sA0888SA08S6k,0Bk0AA0720727Q405U03w03w


So once you have the money for class B FSD Type 7, you're just 5 million away from class B FSD Clipper. Which will then set you back to being 6.7 million away from the clipper.

The question now is: how much faster will you earn 6.7 million in a Type7 than you'd earn another 5 million in an Asp? And will that faster time make up for the time it will take you to chase and outfit the Type 7? Remember, the Type 7 can no longer do outposts, the profit per ton on the Asp can be a lot higher.

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Iskariot said:
Anything below a Python is virtually risk free extra cash when you have 2 C3 beamlasers.
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judging by the new heat on Test, I'd make those Burst lasers as soon as you can, they're just as good
 
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FredTA

FredTA
Quineloe said:
Type 7 to start trading: 20131k

http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=30X,,2-3I8S886u5K5U8I,0AA0AA08c08c7Re07203w03w

because anything below B FSD is just too low

Type 7 with A FSD is 23534k

So we're looking at 14.08 or 17.29 jumpies

Clipper on the other hand also needs B-FSD
25937k
A FSD 29340k

http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=303,,2-4sA0888SA08S6k,0Bk0AA0720727Q405U03w03w


So once you have the money for class B FSD Type 7, you're just 5 million away from class B FSD Clipper. Which will then yet you back to being 6.7 million away from the clipper.

The question now is: how much faster will you earn 6.7 million in a Type7 than you'd earn another 5 million in an Asp? And will that faster time make up for the time it will take you to chase and outfit the Type 7? Remember, the Type 7 can no longer do outposts, the profit per ton on the Asp can be a lot higher.

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judging by the new heat on Test, I'd make those Burst lasers as soon as you can, they're just as good
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Whoa, thanks for all the research.

So let's say it takes longer to reach the clipper if one goes through the T7 first, however that extra 5 mil in the Asp still takes along time to obtain, personally I'd rather spend a little more time doing the same thing in the T7, for the sake of variety.
 
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