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verminstar

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Lotta kids are outta control these days and the thought occurs that I wouldn’t have gotten away with that when I was younger because I feared greatly my fathers belt.

Nowadays such a thing is illegal because the law says so...

Seeing the obvious connection here? When kids have no fear of real consequences, we have social media to fall back on...what could possibly go wrong?
 
If I had been reprimanded twice for bullying, my mom would probably have given me the same punishment, but not bothered to drive along behind to see if I was safe. Maybe the Dad did the social media thing because he was rather bored and had nothing better to do.....?

Regardless, I am so glad that bullying of late has come to the social fore.

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Bullying is calling someone names because they wear glasses or are overweight and etc. Telling a fat person eating fast food that it is an unhealthy choice is neither bullying nor fat shaming (a made up SJW concept). Public shaming someone (punishment) for doing bad things is not bullying but is necessary for a well functioning society.

Which well functioning society you are living in?
Public shaming and therefore a psychological abuse (mainly embarrassment) is bullying. Period. Not a good way of parenting at all, nor a good way to deal with problems.

(Though I agree with your fast food example)
 
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Personally, as someone who was actually subjected to such torture, and it is torture, when growing up, by an abusive step-parent, well...

I can't say anything more because I value my posting privileges.
 
Shaming is not bullying - public or otherwise. This is good parenting.
Absolutely any form of punishment, is an exercise in 'shaming and correcting', what has been considered, bad behaviour. Any action that 'forces change' can be seen or felt, as bullying.

There are two things that have to be considered, when making the distinction between what is, appropriate sanctions and bullying. The two people involved. (Parent and child) The first issue you have to take into account: Is most kids, only act out in the play ground, what they see at home.
 

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Now, the kid was bullying.

In my opinion that should warrant legal action against the parent.

I am in favour of parents been held accountable in court for failing to stop bullying.

Bullying needs to be made a crime.

I will not have kids, ever, because I do not want to put them in a world where it is acceptable for them to get tortured. Look how I turned out.
 

verminstar

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Now, the kid was bullying.

In my opinion that should warrant legal action against the parent.

I am in favour of parents been held accountable in court for failing to stop bullying.

Bullying needs to be made a crime.

I will not have kids, ever, because I do not want to put them in a world where it is acceptable for them to get tortured. Look how I turned out.

And if the kid keeps on being the bully after his/her parents are punished...what then? Punish them more? The fault lies with parents inability to instill the fear of consequences as such a thing is now deemed unlawful...this is why ye can fill a room with parents who just throw up their hand in frustration that their kids are totally outta control and theres nothing they can do about it.

So ye wanna punish the parents even though the law literally ties their hands behind their backs...all yer doing here is punishing the wrong people fer something that is beyond their control.

It might work in some cases but I would hazard a guess it wont work with all. Think about it...what legal consequences can a parent legally put in place that kids will fear? Answer has to be legal...I wait with baited breath on hearing how those without kids of their own think they better qualified than those with kids.

Ive never raised my hand to my daughter because of how I was brought up...I swore Id never turn out like my father and so far, I havent. That being said, my daughter knows there would be serious consequences if she were to put a foot wrong...she fears my temper more than anything even though she knows Id never hit her so maybe Im just lucky to have a voice that cuts through her bravado.

Last time a wee lad tried to bully her in school, the authorities simply didnt care because it would be a mark against the school...so I visited the wee lads parents and told them it was in their best interests that it stop...which it did very abruptly. I would expect exactly the same were she to start being a bully and it would work better than the law itself...the law is something I just laugh at because it doesnt work anyway, just makes things worse if ye let it...so dont let it and raise yer child how ye see fit and not how others see fit.

Seems to work fer me and I trust my daughter 100%...she even installed the tracker on her phone herself to prove to me she could be trusted. Tis a good thing she isnt a bully anyway considering Ive insisted she learn unarmed combat since she was 8 years old...any man were to hit her, she would likely break their arm shes more than capable.

To me, that means shes been raised right and I have done my job well...and while many might frown on some of my methods, I dont see an unruly teenager as the end result...I see a young girl who is more than capable of standing up fer herself in this mixed up world.

And to this day, my father still wont speak to me because I turned my back on what he wanted me to become when I was 17.

The mistake yer making here Unikorn is that yer allowing yer own experience to define you instead of just moving on which is what ye need to do. Yer playing the victim which means the bully wins and you lose. If ye dont change yer perception now, ye will find that it will define the person you eventually become. Learn to mentally move on...before its too late and prove to the bully that yer not as useless as they have led ye to believe. Yer not gonna do that with talk...talk is cheap anyway...go live yer life better than that...thats the proof thats needed and in the end, ye will feel better within yerself rather than just being one of lifes hapless victims ^
 
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Getting my butt whooped when I misbehaved as a child did wonder for readjusting my bad attitude. #bringbackthebelt
 
Lotta kids are outta control these days and the thought occurs that I wouldn’t have gotten away with that when I was younger because I feared greatly my fathers belt.

Nowadays such a thing is illegal because the law says so...

Seeing the obvious connection here? When kids have no fear of real consequences, we have social media to fall back on...what could possibly go wrong?

There’s more than one way to skin a cat. I was never struck nor feared being struck as a child, but still was raised to respect my parents. Now I’m a dad and would not dream of threatening my child with violence. I do take the time to explain things though and to always treat people fairly (without being a pushover) especially in front of her. Hopefully she’ll never see occasional vile nerd rage I have partaken on these forums.
 

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And if the kid keeps on being the bully after his/her parents are punished...what then? Punish them more? The fault lies with parents inability to instill the fear of consequences as such a thing is now deemed unlawful...this is why ye can fill a room with parents who just throw up their hand in frustration that their kids are totally outta control and theres nothing they can do about it.

So ye wanna punish the parents even though the law literally ties their hands behind their backs...all yer doing here is punishing the wrong people fer something that is beyond their control.

It might work in some cases but I would hazard a guess it wont work with all. Think about it...what legal consequences can a parent legally put in place that kids will fear? Answer has to be legal...I wait with baited breath on hearing how those without kids of their own think they better qualified than those with kids.

Ive never raised my hand to my daughter because of how I was brought up...I swore Id never turn out like my father and so far, I havent. That being said, my daughter knows there would be serious consequences if she were to put a foot wrong...she fears my temper more than anything even though she knows Id never hit her so maybe Im just lucky to have a voice that cuts through her bravado.

Last time a wee lad tried to bully her in school, the authorities simply didnt care because it would be a mark against the school...so I visited the wee lads parents and told them it was in their best interests that it stop...which it did very abruptly. I would expect exactly the same were she to start being a bully and it would work better than the law itself...the law is something I just laugh at because it doesnt work anyway, just makes things worse if ye let it...so dont let it and raise yer child how ye see fit and not how others see fit.

Seems to work fer me and I trust my daughter 100%...she even installed the tracker on her phone herself to prove to me she could be trusted. Tis a good thing she isnt a bully anyway considering Ive insisted she learn unarmed combat since she was 8 years old...any man were to hit her, she would likely break their arm shes more than capable.

To me, that means shes been raised right and I have done my job well...and while many might frown on some of my methods, I dont see an unruly teenager as the end result...I see a young girl who is more than capable of standing up fer herself in this mixed up world.

And to this day, my father still wont speak to me because I turned my back on what he wanted me to become when I was 17.

The mistake yer making here Unikorn is that yer allowing yer own experience to define you instead of just moving on which is what ye need to do. Yer playing the victim which means the bully wins and you lose. If ye dont change yer perception now, ye will find that it will define the person you eventually become. Learn to mentally move on...before its too late and prove to the bully that yer not as useless as they have led ye to believe. Yer not gonna do that with talk...talk is cheap anyway...go live yer life better than that...thats the proof thats needed and in the end, ye will feel better within yerself rather than just being one of lifes hapless victims ^

I'm working on things... Won't get into detail.

But with respect, don't you dare tell me to "just move on".

You really think I haven't tried?

Only way I'm moving on is getting justice.

Until then my bullies can continue paying for my expenses via tax, whilst they struggle to feed their children.

"Life ain't fair", and all that.
 
Which well functioning society you are living in?
Public shaming and therefore a psychological abuse (mainly embarrassment) is bullying. Period. Not a good way of parenting at all, nor a good way to deal with problems.

(Though I agree with your fast food example)


Do you relieve yourself wherever you please?
I suggest if not, public shaming has something to do with it, and it's not bullying.

Public shaming /= psychological abuse.
That is absurd.

What do you think about my Japanese elementary school example above?
By most metrics their society is doing fine, and public shaming is a big part of the fabric there.

I think in the west, we're seeing the results of not enough shaming.

In the OP case, it is simply using the tool that they respond to.
 
Do you relieve yourself wherever you please?
I suggest if not, public shaming has something to do with it, and it's not bullying.

Public shaming /= psychological abuse.
That is absurd.

What do you think about my Japanese elementary school example above?
By most metrics their society is doing fine, and public shaming is a big part of the fabric there.

I think in the west, we're seeing the results of not enough shaming.

In the OP case, it is simply using the tool that they respond to.

I guess you forgot that we are talking about a child having failed parents here, not public urination.
 
I guess you forgot that we are talking about a child having failed parents here, not public urination.



What failure?

I say bullying is a more serious offense than public urination/defecation, and I suspect you had that bit worked out while you were a child...

Unless you're saying you don't have that bit worked out, yet?
 

verminstar

Banned
I'm working on things... Won't get into detail.

But with respect, don't you dare tell me to "just move on".

You really think I haven't tried?

Only way I'm moving on is getting justice.

Until then my bullies can continue paying for my expenses via tax, whilst they struggle to feed their children.

"Life ain't fair", and all that.

Uni m8, with all due respect there is a well known saying that truth hurts. Ye immediately went into defensive mode because ye know deep down thats what ye have to do, but because ye tried a few times and faceplanted, ye decide to give up and place a bubble made of Idontcareanymorium around ye.

I hate to tell ye this but I didnt tell ye to do anything...I told what ye needed to do which aint really the same thing because while I wish ye all the best and wanna see ye improve yer lot in life, it also wouldnt trouble me if ye ate yerself into an early grave either though the former is at least a little more in favour of the former that the latter but thats cos I like ya cos ye remind me of someone else a long time ago cos they loved all that heavy metal stuff you like you do...never mind memory lane Im rambling...

Not trying to tell ye what to do m8...that would mean I thought of meself as responsible enough to think I had the right to. I dont and ergo I wasnt...I wouldnt even trust meself in certain circumstances but then I know my own faults and have learned to live with them...by the sounds of things yer wanting to but ye fear failure. Failure is learning what didnt work and trying something else...does one not play the game in such a way?

Ye wanna just give up and sound triumphant about it then go you...Im not telling ye what to do though...justice however is a rare thing to have in this world and even rarer will it simply come to you. Most of those who do get their justice did so by getting themselves off their behinds and doin something about it...like they say m8...truth hurts but there it is. Either way, no offence was intended, hope none was taken ^
 
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