Hardware & Technical Perma block Windows 10 1709 Creators Update?

[relayer]

Are they overly aggressive in their wanting people to upgrade?

Well, I hear your arguments & you have some nice points. Let me describe my meeting with Win10.

On installation, it decided that ITS Nvidia driver was the one I needed. It would not let me change drivers from inside, not straight from the Nvidia download source for my card, not if I pre-installed them on a clean Win7 and then upgraded, not through driver properties. I had to reset the driver to vanilla VGA and run in safe mode to install the drivers. This appears to be common across multiple drivers; Win10 gets the wrong/outdated driver in and you have to play monkeybars in order to install a driver THAT WORKED PERFECTLY IN WIN7.

I've also redone a half-dozen client machines that got hosed through Windows Update. Clients weren't sure when it happened because of automatic/unannounced patches.

Right now, I classify Win10 as being in the same shape that XP was before Service Pack 2 - it's flaky and unstable. I cannot recommend it. I will watch and wait for 90 days; each time an update manages to hose the OS, the timer gets set back to 90 days. So far, Win10 has not passed that stability test in my, and others' experience. Use at your own risk.

Also, MS is hustling; the first test of a machine is does it do what you need it to do? If it does, you don't need new software or an OS. If you're worried about security, I cover that in security training classes. As I mentioned above, I still regularly use a Windows XP machine on the net, but it's behind a hard firewall & I don't worry about it.

 

[relayer]

Insert 'actually works' versus 'probably won't work after the new shiny has bollixed everything I've spent the last five years getting to work' instead.

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Now just like a car or home owner who's perfectly content with the vehicle or house they already have, I'd like to be left alone with my IT kit just the way it is.

This is exactly my point on any upgrades to a working system. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

In the old days, there was a little pop-up that said "downloading Windows Update" and you could pause it in the attached dialogue box. Try and find out how to pause it now! I'm sure some of you know how, but the average PC user has a better chance of solving Rubik's Cube than finding out how to pause a Windows update, even with help from the internet.

THIS.. I am keeping my PC turned on the whole time and I just set "time to restart" weeks ahead each time it asks.
However I wan't it to not update at all. But not possible in 10 Home. Doubly annoying because I had Windows 7 Professional and used the "free" upgrade to win 10 and got a "home" version for my trouble.

Newt: if you had Win7 Pro, Win10 should have upgraded to Pro also. Look for "Digital River ISOs" and then reinstall Win7 Pro clean and then upgrade. Of course, that takes time and aggravation but Pro definitely is worth it for control; I'd do it. If you don't want that, start badgering MS with bug reports. Have your Win7 Pro license number handy.




For you both, might look at this link:
Windows 10 Hack: 3 Ways To Stop Forced Updates



I have always controlled my own updates. I pick and choose after reading several months worth of problems and assorted weirdness about certain KB updates. It takes time to go through the update list but to me, it's worth it.


As far as "paranoia" goes... [from the Windows 10 EULA]

"“We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary.”


"the new OS uses a peer-to-peer (p2p) update distribution system called ‘Windows Update Delivery Optimization’ (WUDO)... The problem is your PC will also start to share this update with other PCs around the world that still need it." [ie P2P distribution to take the load off MS servers]

 

[Zak Gordon]

while 1 year old news no one is perfect
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/01/ubuntu-online-search-feature-disabled-16-04

newer
Ubuntu 17.10 Breaks the BIOS on Some Lenovo Laptops
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/12/ubuntu-corrupting-lenovo-laptop-bios

Ubuntu had/has certainly lost it's way, atleast from where it was when i first tried it (Feisty Fawn). The whole Unity debarcle just masking the background core problem of the distribution (which iirc revolves around the people controlling it in this 'modern' era). My distribution of choice (Mint) exists because of this 'failure' from Ubuntu and the bad direction it has been heading in.

Still one thing you can rely on in the world of Linux is that it is all out in the open, so eventually any 'bad' stuff gets aired and we are better informed to make better choices. With Windows 10 and Apple you will never be able to do that.

 

[relayer]

My distribution of choice (Mint)

+rep