Pharmaceutical Isolators (and other things)

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
Hello!

Looking for some guidance on finding (not grinding and trading), Pharmaceutical Isolators, and a few other bits.

I've been zooming around outbreak systems, but I can't find any HGEs. Is there something else? What even triggers HGEs? Population?

My previous batch of PAs came from random trader murder in anarchy systems, but I only got about 9, in several hours (but I did get shed loads of other stuff).

Not fond of playing the crash sites or Dav's Hope, logging game. It's not fun. I usually just go to my target system and look for HGEs while doing other bits and pieces in system.

I also need Improvised Components, Military Super Capacitors (which I've never ever found), and Imperial Shielding.

Helllpppp! Lol
I do wish manufactured and data were like elements. I know exactly where to go for each one, almost no RNG involved. It's brilliant!
 

deleteduser

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Imp Shielding is in Imperial Boom HGEs, which are fairly common.

I don't know if HGE spawn is fixed as yet, but everything else can be traded for. Your 9/x hours for PIs from traders seems like a pretty good deal.

Otherwise, this - https://elite-dangerous.fandom.com/wiki/High_Grade_Emissions - has the system allegiance/state you need to look for for the respective materials.

If you're finding it particularly tough going, then farming Degraded/Encoded Emmissions signals and then trading up for what you need shouldn't be discounted.
 
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viper666

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The thing with HGE's is they might not be tagged to the faction you need. Example, you want PI's and enter an outbreak system. Find a HGE but it's a faction in boom state., you will get another type of G5 mats.
In five years of playing this game, I have NEVER found military super capacitors. I get most of my G5 mats from condas in haz res sites. Then I just trade for what I need, even though the exchange rate is a rip off.
 

Aashenfox

Aashenfox
It's worse even than this. Funny thing is our home system is teeming with outbreak right now, plenty of outbreak HGEs, trouble is they more often that not, do NOT contain pharma isos.

Mil supercaps are pretty easy to find as a general rule. War or Civil War in an indpendent system and you will get 60-40 results in favour military grade alloys
 
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Mugur

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Sorry OP, this is not a rant against you, but I'm really tired of people who are against of material traders. Don't know the reason and I don't really care anymore. I may not like the current state (either the designed one by Frontier or the reality buggy mess), but that's never been easier to collect HGEs... You simply focus on the ones that are common and trade for the others.

-Common ones: Imperial Shielding, Core Dynamics Composites - absolutely easy to find, you can have 100 in a couple of hours.

-Less common, but you can step on them by accident: Proto Heat Radiators, Proto Radiolic Alloys

-Mission only = easy to find (sightseeing adventure from Robigo Mines, for example): Exquisite Focus Crystals, Biotech Conductors

-Rare but you may find some = Millitary Supercapacitors, Millitary Grade Alloys

-Don't bother - almost impossible (trade them using the common ones): Improvised Components, Pharmaceutical Isolators

Did I miss something?
 

Aashenfox

Aashenfox
Mugur said:
Sorry OP, this is not a rant against you, but I'm really tired of people who are against of material traders. Don't know the reason and I don't really care anymore. I may not like the current state (either the designed one by Frontier or the reality buggy mess), but that's never been easier to collect HGEs... You simply focus on the ones that are common and trade for the others.

-Common ones: Imperial Shielding, Core Dynamics Composites - absolutely easy to find, you can have 100 in a couple of hours.

-Less common, but you can step on them by accident: Proto Heat Radiators, Proto Radiolic Alloys

-Mission only = easy to find (sightseeing adventure from Robigo Mines, for example): Exquisite Focus Crystals, Biotech Conductors

-Rare but you may find some = Millitary Supercapacitors, Millitary Grade Alloys

-Don't bother - almost impossible (trade them using the common ones): Improvised Components, Pharmaceutical Isolators

Did I miss something?
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No you didn't miss anything except you seem to think that this is acceptable...? It is not. I used to be able to go collect at least 40 of whatever I wanted in a couple of hours. Nowadays I have to farm 200 things I don't want (admittedly easier, but NOT quicker) and trade them up at one to SIX. It's about proper involving gameplay, not changing something and making it just as bad except in a different way.
 

GJ51

GJ51
Aashenfox said:
No you didn't miss anything except you seem to think that this is acceptable...? It is not. I used to be able to go collect at least 40 of whatever I wanted in a couple of hours. Nowadays I have to farm 200 things I don't want (admittedly easier, but NOT quicker) and trade them up at one to SIX. It's about proper involving gameplay, not changing something and making it just as bad except in a different way.
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+1

Just adding another useless layer (Traders) to get what you're looking for doesn't constitute improved game play.
 

Captain Jack Sparrow

Captain Jack Sparrow
Mugur said:
Sorry OP, this is not a rant against you, but I'm really tired of people who are against of material traders. Don't know the reason and I don't really care anymore. I may not like the current state (either the designed one by Frontier or the reality buggy mess), but that's never been easier to collect HGEs... You simply focus on the ones that are common and trade for the others.

-Common ones: Imperial Shielding, Core Dynamics Composites - absolutely easy to find, you can have 100 in a couple of hours.

-Less common, but you can step on them by accident: Proto Heat Radiators, Proto Radiolic Alloys

-Mission only = easy to find (sightseeing adventure from Robigo Mines, for example): Exquisite Focus Crystals, Biotech Conductors

-Rare but you may find some = Millitary Supercapacitors, Millitary Grade Alloys

-Don't bother - almost impossible (trade them using the common ones): Improvised Components, Pharmaceutical Isolators

Did I miss something?
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Let's do some math here, because when I see this response I immediately think "this player is only engineering exploration or trade ship,s not combat ships". For example, If I slap 3 MC's on my a FDL or chiefton, and it takes approximately 6-10 Grade 5 Rolls per MC, that's 18-30 G5 MEF's. Trading up is not viable in this situation. Now if I need 18-30 Modified Embedded Firmware, my options are trading 6 G5 Classified Scan Fragments (not common at all) for just 1 MEF which means I would need to have a minimum 108 of another G5 material or trading 6 G4 Security Firmware Patch, again, not that common. And if we leap to another row, the ratios get even worse. The G4 to G5 is fair, my problem is the G5 to G5 ratio. Point is, this "just use a material trader" rhetoric clearly shows your lack of engineering experience, in that it is not as simple as "just focus on the common ones". That logic only applies to exploration or trade ships. Not PvE or PvP ships.
 

VR andysonofbob

VR andysonofbob
I totally get why the data traders are the way they are. (I don't like it though!!!)

For the common items that can be found at Dav's Hope etc. you are not really trading up 6 for 1; it is more like 2 for 1.
 
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Lightspeed

Lightspeed
CMDR Cosmic Spacehead said:
Hello!

Looking for some guidance on finding (not grinding and trading), Pharmaceutical Isolators, and a few other bits.

I've been zooming around outbreak systems, but I can't find any HGEs. Is there something else? What even triggers HGEs? Population?

My previous batch of PAs came from random trader murder in anarchy systems, but I only got about 9, in several hours (but I did get shed loads of other stuff).

Not fond of playing the crash sites or Dav's Hope, logging game. It's not fun. I usually just go to my target system and look for HGEs while doing other bits and pieces in system.

I also need Improvised Components, Military Super Capacitors (which I've never ever found), and Imperial Shielding.

Helllpppp! Lol
I do wish manufactured and data were like elements. I know exactly where to go for each one, almost no RNG involved. It's brilliant!
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Isn't this the sort of information that is supposed to be in the Codex ? I'm sure it isn't yet, was it ever going to be?
 

Stabby_Dave

Stabby_Dave
I've never found MEF to be a problem. There always seem to be missions offering 4 or 5 of them if you're allied with that faction.
 

Kenneth McGrew

Kenneth McGrew
CMDR Cosmic Spacehead said:
Hello!

Looking for some guidance on finding (not grinding and trading), Pharmaceutical Isolators, and a few other bits.

I've been zooming around outbreak systems, but I can't find any HGEs. Is there something else? What even triggers HGEs? Population?

My previous batch of PAs came from random trader murder in anarchy systems, but I only got about 9, in several hours (but I did get shed loads of other stuff).

Not fond of playing the crash sites or Dav's Hope, logging game. It's not fun. I usually just go to my target system and look for HGEs while doing other bits and pieces in system.

I also need Improvised Components, Military Super Capacitors (which I've never ever found), and Imperial Shielding.

Helllpppp! Lol
I do wish manufactured and data were like elements. I know exactly where to go for each one, almost no RNG involved. It's brilliant!
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I too have been looking for Pharmacutical isolatiors and other G5 stuff;

Kenneth's tips on G5 shizzle

The basics;

Based on the State of the Faction, The HGE will provide;

Boom might yield Proto Radiolic plus Proto Light Alloys or Proto Heat Radiators
War State might yield Military Super Capacitors
Outbreak - might yield Pharmaceutical Isolators (rare, almost hens teeth like)
Civil Unrest - might yield Improvised Components (very rare, hens teeth)
Civil War - might yield Military Grade Alloys

emphasis on might! if you hop on one leg while whispering "Braben's great" you might get other useful materials too, wearing a knights costume also helps

how do I ensure a HGE will spawn?
well that's simple my friend, just press start on the fruit machine! three 7's and your good to go.

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what if they're arnt any HGE?
change system or log off / on change solo/pg/open

now you will have found your Outbreak system and also are lucky enough to find a HGE with enough time left to fly 15kls to get to it.

Im in for a treat right, PI's here i come?

No

No you're not

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when I drop into the HGE whats the chance of spawning Pharmaceutical isolators?

insert coin!

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EXE Sasser

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Personally think they should just reintroduce the old way of finding HGE signals.

Flying a certain distance from the star till you're in "Deep Space" at a slow speed in supercruise, then wait till HGE signals spawn.

At least AT THAT STATE OF THE GAME they were EASIER TO FIND.
 

Bill Clement

Bill Clement
Mugur said:
Sorry OP, this is not a rant against you, but I'm really tired of people who are against of material traders. Don't know the reason and I don't really care anymore. I may not like the current state (either the designed one by Frontier or the reality buggy mess), but that's never been easier to collect HGEs... You simply focus on the ones that are common and trade for the others.

-Common ones: Imperial Shielding, Core Dynamics Composites - absolutely easy to find, you can have 100 in a couple of hours.

-Less common, but you can step on them by accident: Proto Heat Radiators, Proto Radiolic Alloys

-Mission only = easy to find (sightseeing adventure from Robigo Mines, for example): Exquisite Focus Crystals, Biotech Conductors

-Rare but you may find some = Millitary Supercapacitors, Millitary Grade Alloys

-Don't bother - almost impossible (trade them using the common ones): Improvised Components, Pharmaceutical Isolators

Did I miss something?
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Yeah, thanks for the tips, but I'm really sick of people fanboying a really pants system. There are too many mats, spawning in too many ways, far too randomly and trading at a stupidly inflated rate, for this to be anything but a huge waste of anyone's time.

Fwiw I've been trying to finish engineering one bloody ship since November! Three or more two to three hour sessions every flaming week for damn near four months- this sucks! [mad]

I've given up twice now, once in December and now, this week. It's soul destroying. I don't want to be doing this krap, I don't want to start 'board flipping' exploit sites just to get a single ship up to a reasonable standard.

The irony is I've been holding off buying a new flight sim because of the time commitment it'd take! I'd be a blooming ace by now if I'd just bit the bullet in November... [sour]
 

Stealthie

Stealthie
Aashenfox said:
No you didn't miss anything except you seem to think that this is acceptable...? It is not. I used to be able to go collect at least 40 of whatever I wanted in a couple of hours. Nowadays I have to farm 200 things I don't want (admittedly easier, but NOT quicker) and trade them up at one to SIX. It's about proper involving gameplay, not changing something and making it just as bad except in a different way.
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Spot on. [up]
 

Mugur

M
Captain Jack Sparrow said:
Let's do some math here, because when I see this response I immediately think "this player is only engineering exploration or trade ship,s not combat ships". For example, If I slap 3 MC's on my a FDL or chiefton, and it takes approximately 6-10 Grade 5 Rolls per MC, that's 18-30 G5 MEF's. Trading up is not viable in this situation. Now if I need 18-30 Modified Embedded Firmware, my options are trading 6 G5 Classified Scan Fragments (not common at all) for just 1 MEF which means I would need to have a minimum 108 of another G5 material or trading 6 G4 Security Firmware Patch, again, not that common. And if we leap to another row, the ratios get even worse. The G4 to G5 is fair, my problem is the G5 to G5 ratio. Point is, this "just use a material trader" rhetoric clearly shows your lack of engineering experience, in that it is not as simple as "just focus on the common ones". That logic only applies to exploration or trade ships. Not PvE or PvP ships.
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Sorry, but I have 19 ships, all fully engineered and I'm not what you could call an explorer or trader (although I'm elite on both)... :p

Every advice or opinion I gave it's from my rather casual (1500h) play time. Your example is flawed anyway. Usually it takes me no more than a week-end to fill up with all grade 5 materials enough to fully engineer several ships. After 3.3, I don't even bother with most of the many ways of collecting: I simply make a run for The Bug Killer, Jameson's crashed Cobra, an hour of Dav's Hope and a couple of hours in imperial / federal space for HGEs. Once in a while, I also do some passengers in Robigo for EFC, MEF and BC (usually I get 20 materials per run, in 12 minutes). When I'm below 30 of any grade 5, I start again, either the full tour, or just something quick, to fill up the need.

I never do G4 to G5, I only trade for the same grade or from high to low. There are also some G4s (encoded or manufactured) that you obtain together with the G5s, so I use those.

I don't particularly like this as a game loop, but it's efficient, easy and takes away most of the random part. I like to mod ships, so I need mats. Period. Of course I find the 6 to 1 ratio crazy, but it is what it is. I work with what Frontier made, but I use every trick in the book and I don't complain that it takes months to mod a single ship. I can fully mod one in less than a day, starting with remote workshop and travel to some engineers for special effects only.
 
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