Planetary Approach Suite should be replaced with "Advanced" Supercruise Assist

With the new updates, I think it would be a great option to purchase and or upgrade the Planetary Approach Suite slot with an advanced option that would offer additional benefits to the new Supercruise Assist.

To me the current Planetary Approach Suite seems out of place unless there is new gameplay coming that will extend other options.
 
The planetary approach suite is required to allow horizons owners to be able to play with non horizons owners in the same shared game world. It cannot be removed unless Fdev bites the bullet and gives everyone Horizons (which I wouldn't object to at this point.)

Secondly, SCA represents a step in the wrong direction when it comes to these flight assist mods, players have been saying that the docking computer as a module is stupid and only adds to the module creep in game, the fact that fdev has compounded this by adding an "Advanced" version plus a super cruise "cruise control" mod. When the reality is they should just be standard features on out ships has been and is not currently being discussed again by the player base.
 
The planetary approach suite is required to allow horizons owners to be able to play with non horizons owners in the same shared game world. It cannot be removed unless Fdev bites the bullet and gives everyone Horizons (which I wouldn't object to at this point.)

Secondly, SCA represents a step in the wrong direction when it comes to these flight assist mods, players have been saying that the docking computer as a module is stupid and only adds to the module creep in game, the fact that fdev has compounded this by adding an "Advanced" version plus a super cruise "cruise control" mod. When the reality is they should just be standard features on out ships has been and is not currently being discussed again by the player base.

I'm not asking to remove it in any way.
The request is the option to upgrade it...meaning to have the existing coupled with the new in a single module.
 
I'm not asking to remove it in any way.
The request is the option to upgrade it...meaning to have the existing coupled with the new in a single module.

And what do you do with the existing module? You'd have to leave it for non horizons owners because they can't get the PAS, so you're talking about creating yet ANOTHER pointless module.

my solution, get rid of the docking computers and SCA modules and incorporate them into the base function of the ship. Fdev should bite the dang bullet and just give the remaining non horizons owners a free upgrade, then you can eliminate the PAS.

And that will be four pointless modules removed from the game.
 
And what do you do with the existing module? You'd have to leave it for non horizons owners because they can't get the PAS, so you're talking about creating yet ANOTHER pointless module.

my solution, get rid of the docking computers and SCA modules and incorporate them into the base function of the ship. Fdev should bite the dang bullet and just give the remaining non horizons owners a free upgrade, then you can eliminate the PAS.

And that will be four pointless modules removed from the game.

Please re-read the OP and the topic as it relates to the most recent game update.
Its a simple request to allow two modules in one for a slot that exists but that cannot be changed.

Its not at all what you seem to have misunderstood.
 
Please re-read the OP and the topic as it relates to the most recent game update.
Its a simple request to allow two modules in one for a slot that exists but that cannot be changed.

Its not at all what you seem to have misunderstood.

I understand the OP just fine, what I dont think you're realizing is how this puts Non-Horizons owners at a disadvantage, because horizon's owners will be able to have this Advanced PAS, thus freeing up a module slot that can be used for something else, while Non-horizon's owners will have to use said slot because they can't use the PAS slot.

In addition to that, you're duplicating functionality of one module onto another.

What I was trying to point out was the fact that what Fdev did with these new Flight Assist modules was a bad design decision, which would only be further compounded and potentially cause an imbalance if they did what you suggest.

it would much simpler to do away with them as modules and make them core functions.

(I'm not trying to be mean, but you have to consider things from multiple angles.)
 
I understand the OP just fine, what I dont think you're realizing is how this puts Non-Horizons owners at a disadvantage, because horizon's owners will be able to have this Advanced PAS, thus freeing up a module slot that can be used for something else, while Non-horizon's owners will have to use said slot because they can't use the PAS slot.

In addition to that, you're duplicating functionality of one module onto another.

What I was trying to point out was the fact that what Fdev did with these new Flight Assist modules was a bad design decision, which would only be further compounded and potentially cause an imbalance if they did what you suggest.

it would much simpler to do away with them as modules and make them core functions.

(I'm not trying to be mean, but you have to consider things from multiple angles.)

Again...its a simple request and not what you're interpreting it as.
If you don't have the slot because you intentionally didn't buy the expansion its of no concern. You'd just use the existing module as is...

This presents no issues at all and each customer is not negatively impacted in any way shape or form.

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In terms of your opinions on the other actual changes...I disagree 100% but please take that to another thread as that is not at all what this topic is about.
 
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If you don't have the slot because you intentionally didn't buy the expansion its of no concern. You'd just use the existing module as is...
This presents no issues at all and each customer is not negatively impacted in any way shape or form.

Ok, I was with you till you said that ^^. That statement is categorically incorrect, there is a rather obvious issue here, balance. A horizon's player would be able to have the functionality of the SCA while also freeing up a slot for their use. IE. They wouldn't equip an SCA when those functions are in the "APAS" (Advanced Planetary Approach Suite), Non-horizon's owners on the other hand, if they want SCA functionality will have to use that slot to have the same functionality.

This creates in imbalance in that Horizon's owners will have an extra slot without loss of function, while Non Horizon's owners will have the disadvantage of EITHER having the slot or having the SCA, forcing them to choose between two things that a Horizons owner does not.

make sense now?
 
Ok, I was with you till you said that ^^. That statement is categorically incorrect, there is a rather obvious issue here, balance. A horizon's player would be able to have the functionality of the SCA while also freeing up a slot for their use. IE. They wouldn't equip an SCA when those functions are in the "APAS" (Advanced Planetary Approach Suite), Non-horizon's owners on the other hand, if they want SCA functionality will have to use that slot to have the same functionality.

This creates in imbalance in that Horizon's owners will have an extra slot without loss of function, while Non Horizon's owners will have the disadvantage of EITHER having the slot or having the SCA.

That is something people WILL cry foul over.

I understand that you don't like the new changes Fdevs has implemented and honestly I think those expressions belong in another thread.
AGAIN...what you are hoping to make an issue is literally not an issue at all.
The request is for a new module that doesn't exist...
Non-Horizon customers are literally not impacted by this suggestion due to their choice NOT to participate in the content therefore, balance or any other ideas you've suggested that are an issue...literally are not by choice not Fdevs or any other reasons.

Everyone was given new slots and access to all of these new modules.
As a QoL update I'm simply suggesting yet another module.

One could cite ideas where its other players desires to mix scanners and mining tools into one module, therefore its of little to no importance of what a non-DLC player impact "could be" as they have opted out of content intentionally.
 
I understand that you don't like the new changes Fdevs has implemented and honestly I think those expressions belong in another thread.
AGAIN...what you are hoping to make an issue is literally not an issue at all.
The request is for a new module that doesn't exist...
Non-Horizon customers are literally not impacted by this suggestion due to their choice NOT to participate in the content therefore, balance or any other ideas you've suggested that are an issue...literally are not by choice not Fdevs or any other reasons.

Everyone was given new slots and access to all of these new modules.
As a QoL update I'm simply suggesting yet another module.

One could cite ideas where its other players desires to mix scanners and mining tools into one module, therefore its of little to no importance of what a non-DLC player impact "could be" as they have opted out of content intentionally.

I'm sorry but you're flat wrong. Your suggestion is about adding functionality of the SCA onto a module that only Horizon's owners can have, by doing that, a horizon's owner no longer needs to equip an SCA module, this frees up the slot that WOULD have been used for the SCA, this means that the player can THEN equip something else to that slot.

A Non-horizons owner, who lives in the same universe as the horizon's players, cannot access that module, SO, they would either have to forego the use of the SCA and use the slot for something else OR take the SCA for it's functions but be down a slot in comparison to the horizon's player.

Horizon's player would have SCA functions AND an extra slot.
Non-Horizon's player would have to choose between SCA OR an extra slot.

That's an imbalance between these two players, penalizing the player who didn't purchase the DLC over something that has nothing to do with Horizons' content.

One could cite ideas where its other players desires to mix scanners and mining tools into one module, therefore its of little to no importance of what a non-DLC player impact "could be" as they have opted out of content intentionally.

Scanners and Mining tools are not locked behind a paywall though and are available to ALL players, so this point here is a non-sequitur.
 
I'm sorry but you're flat wrong. Your suggestion is about adding functionality of the SCA onto a module that only Horizon's owners can have, by doing that, a horizon's owner no longer needs to equip an SCA module, this frees up the slot that WOULD have been used for the SCA, this means that the player can THEN equip something else to that slot.

A Non-horizons owner, who lives in the same universe as the horizon's players, cannot access that module, SO, they would either have to forego the use of the SCA and use the slot for something else OR take the SCA for it's functions but be down a slot in comparison to the horizon's player.

Horizon's player would have SCA functions AND an extra slot.
Non-Horizon's player would have to choose between SCA OR an extra slot.

That's an imbalance between these two players, penalizing the player who didn't purchase the DLC over something that has nothing to do with Horizons' content.

Respectfully you seem set to argue and continue to read things not implied.

the OP simply states.
Fdev team, please create a new advanced module that can be inserted in the Planetary landing module slot. This new module "could" offer both the planetary landing AND advanced super cruise functionality.

IMPORTANT
This is simply a suggestion for a new module, not any attempts to claim or prove that anything "needs" to be done, changed or applied.
This is without information on any future changes...specifically referring to prior requests to merge prior modules into one.
It would be inaccurate and inappropriate to claim this idea would cause any balance issues as the new changes are 100% optional
It would be appropriate to say you do not want this to be added (just that)
 

Lestat

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With the new updates, I think it would be a great option to purchase and or upgrade the Planetary Approach Suite slot with an advanced option that would offer additional benefits to the new Supercruise Assist.

To me the current Planetary Approach Suite seems out of place unless there is new gameplay coming that will extend other options.
I think how it set up right now is just fine. You need to use common sense when setup a ship. We already got a few extra modules.
 
It would be inaccurate and inappropriate to claim this idea would cause any balance issues as the new changes are 100% optional

I literally JUST explained EXACTLY how it would cause a balance issue, a rather obvious balance issue. I broke it down to very simple statements, bolding the important parts.
Simply stating "There's no problem" without addressing my points is akin to you sticking your fingers into your ears and humming very loudly.

And yes while this IS a suggestion forum, you are expected to be able to explain why these suggestions have merit, any potential game breaking issues to respondents. The fact that you dismiss my statements without addressing the obvious issues means by definition this is not a viable suggestion.

I'm sorry but there it is.
 
Docking computers and cruise modules should be dropped into each and every ship in game without any module requirement.

If you haven't bought Horizons by now you seriously aren't supporting this game.
Pandering to you is pointless!
Buy the EXPANSION and stop holding out for a freebie.
 
I literally JUST explained EXACTLY how it would cause a balance issue, a rather obvious balance issue. I broke it down to very simple statements, bolding the important parts.
Simply stating "There's no problem" without addressing my points is akin to you sticking your fingers into your ears and humming very loudly.

And yes while this IS a suggestion forum, you are expected to be able to explain why these suggestions have merit, any potential game breaking issues to respondents. The fact that you dismiss my statements without addressing the obvious issues means by definition this is not a viable suggestion.

I'm sorry but there it is.

First...your points have been addressed in the design of the game and do not need my acknowledgment.

...I understand you "feel" there is a problem and that those "feelings" you have, suggest that my idea creates a balance issue but from reading your comments in other similar threads, it stems from your opinion on the changes. I read through your concerns expressed here and in other threads but its literally not an issue of balance.

What you are describing is an issue brought about when a customer is displaced due to a choice not to buy an expansion.

This is going to come across direct...The development of this game should not ever be hindered due to those who choose not to buy an expansion. The developers intentionally offer substantial opportunities for those players not to be negatively impacted through the use of solo and private groups as well as discounted sales on the expansion. Some others do give-a-ways and even myself, have gifted the game or expansions to others.

I really understand what you're saying but its not as you're suggesting. Its a personal issue that you may have if you don't own the expansion but if you do, others will need to address their own issues. It is in no way a balance issue...its a choice.

As such, Horizons allowed me to make somewhere around 30-90 mil per trip last year but those who didn't buy Horizon were likely limited to 5-15 mil in other activities. With what you're writing, you are literally suggesting the whole game should not offer better experiences than what a non-Horizon customer has. That negates the point of an expansion and the content there within.
 
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Lestat

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I think they will be doing an update Newblacksmurf on the Planetary Approach Suite and I think Exeider would agree with this one. But it would be a new Planetary Approach Suite something on the line of Atmospheric Planetary Approach suite. For Earth-Like Worlds and Water Worlds. Maybe more Extream Volcanic locations and getting in the upper Range of Gas Giants. I think that why your idea would not work.
 
First...your points have been addressed in the design of the game and do not need my acknowledgment.

...I understand you "feel" there is a problem and that those "feelings" you have, suggest that my idea creates a balance issue but from reading your comments in other similar threads, it stems from your opinion on the changes. I read through your concerns expressed here and in other threads but its literally not an issue of balance.

What you are describing is an issue brought about when a customer is displaced due to a choice not to buy an expansion.

This is going to come across direct...The development of this game should not ever be hindered due to those who choose not to buy an expansion. The developers intentionally offer substantial opportunities for those players not to be negatively impacted through the use of solo and private groups as well as discounted sales on the expansion. Some others do give-a-ways and even myself, have gifted the game or expansions to others.

I really understand what you're saying but its not as you're suggesting. Its a personal issue that you may have if you don't own the expansion but if you do, others will need to address their own issues. It is in no way a balance issue...its a choice.

Since you're suggesting a change to the game, actually yes you DO need to acknowledge it. I EXPLICITLY described exactly what the issue is and you still refuse to explain how your suggestion will address said issue, but rather you choose to ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist.

And honestly, I feel I've been pretty polite about the whole thing, I know others on this forum would tear into you more about it, but I'm not that way.

In regards to customer choice, I understand there are folks who choose not to buy horizons for what ever reason. However what you are proposing, is taking an option has come much later, DUPLICATING said functions to a paywall module, and ADDING to it's functionality after the fact. a function that has ZERO to do with horizons content and has to do with the core game, super cruise.

The REASON why the PAS hasnt been modified, touched is because it's a given workaround for what was an otherwise huge problem. which was "How do we have Horizons and Non-Horizons players able to play in the same universe without breaking them up."

Traditionally in other games DLC players would be separated from other players and as you made more DLCs you get this stratified community, Fdev clearly didnt want this, they wanted everyone to stick together, which is where the PAS comes in. the PAS in as absolutely general terms is essentially a widget that allows the owners to access the content. But every player physically has the horizons files on their computer or consoles, it's just that without your widget, you can't access it.

If Frontier started putting core gameplay features or mechanics on the widget, it starts to create the very disparity that they were trying to avoid with it. As I described, by just doing your suggestion, it creates a slot disparity. If you were to add more, the disparity only grows further still.

the PAS only exists because there are two versions of the game, if fdev gave everyone the upgrade or if EVERY player bought horizon's today and they stopped selling the core game, it wouldnt need to exist. It's existence is SOLELY to act as a key, it doesn't DO anything on it's own, it's not even a module in strictest sense of the game.

All your suggestion would do is benefit ONE group of players over another, for no reason.

The discussion as to WHY they should add it as core functions to all ships, is so no one group has any advantage over another, and it goes to help fix the module creep. that's WHY there are discussions on why the SCA and ADC shouldn't exist, and why the DC should also be removed from the game, and why, whatever the solution Fdev could come up with, why the PAS really shouldn't exist either.

All your suggestion would do is rile up a very very old argument with fresh blood. and Fdev has gotten enough bad press as is.
 
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