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The US military's inconstant and hypocritical standards of conduct never cease to amaze me.

And people who get upset over having to explain basic reality to their children are even worse.
 
The US military's inconstant and hypocritical standards of conduct never cease to amaze me.

And people who get upset over having to explain basic reality to their children are even worse.

As a long time service member, I can tell you that this is being investigated first because it was visible to the public and generated complaints by them. As in "Why are my tax dollars being used for F/A-18 to draw obscene symbols in the sky?"

Also, as a service member, I find it personally offensive. I work in naval aviation. I work on the base this jet flew from, in fact. There's a lot of moving parts required to put a plane in the air. People lose sleep, work in industrial conditions that have long term effects on their health, stress, etc. Parts require money. For every plane in the air, there's a dozen or so people waiting for it to safely land so they can go home to their families. Those pilots are flying to practice the tasks they'll perform in defense of the country. Not to indulge in frat boy jokes by drawing...phalluses in the sky. And that's the other reason they're being investigated. "Why were these pilots misusing expensive combat hardware for practical jokes instead of training combat skills, like their orders detail?" This is not hypocritical in the least.
 
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this is being investigated mainly because it was visible to the public and generated complaints by them. As in "Why are my tax dollars being used for F/A-18 to draw obscene symbols in the sky?"

That's precisely the sort of hypocrisy I was referring to.

Also, as a service member, I find it personally offensive. I work in naval aviation. I work on the base this jet flew from, in fact. There's a lot of moving parts required to put a plane in the air. People lose sleep, work in industrial conditions that have long term effects on their health, stress, etc. Parts require money. Those pilots are flying to practice the tasks they'll perform in defense of the country. Not to indulge in frat boy jokes by drawing...phalluses in the sky.

The idea that drawing phalluses with contrails isn't just as, or more, conducive to developing useful piloting skill as many of the other tasks that consume the bulk of any pilot's flight hours is just more hypocrisy. Had they just been loitering, flying in a straight line, or just let the craft fly itself while arguing about a basketball game, instead of doing something that was visible and offensive to the easily offended, it would likely have been perfectly acceptable. The complaints and reprimands don't seem to stem from anyone being put in danger, or even from the air crew being tardy or off-mission, simply that people were offended by the particular pattern flown.

As a US taxpayer (however reluctant) I'm considerably more offended by the waste of time and resources spent fussing over this and the how uptight the Navy is than the five thousand dollars it cost to fly an F-18 long enough to draw a in the sky.
 
At last report the US military had a shortage of about 2k pilots

Wrist slapping time

Now be a good boy and don't do that again
 
That's precisely the sort of hypocrisy I was referring to.



The idea that drawing phalluses with contrails isn't just as, or more, conducive to developing useful piloting skill as many of the other tasks that consume the bulk of any pilot's flight hours is just more hypocrisy. Had they just been loitering, flying in a straight line, or just let the craft fly itself while arguing about a basketball game, instead of doing something that was visible and offensive to the easily offended, it would likely have been perfectly acceptable. The complaints and reprimands don't seem to stem from anyone being put in danger, or even from the air crew being tardy or off-mission, simply that people were offended by the particular pattern flown.

As a US taxpayer (however reluctant) I'm considerably more offended by the waste of time and resources spent fussing over this and the how uptight the Navy is than the five thousand dollars it cost to fly an F-18 long enough to draw a in the sky.

I can assure you with 100% confidence that it's not just $5,000 to put an aircraft in the air for 5 minutes. There's the money spent on training the maintainers to have the knowledge to service that aircraft into a flyable condition. There's the money spent on training the aircrew to get that aircraft into the air. There's the parts, the fuel (which is not $5000 for 5 minutes), bills for the facilities, the $68.2 million just to build that one aircraft. It's meant to be flown to jam and destroy radar sites, and train on how to do that, not joyride around like it's your personal Cessna. So your argument is false.

Furthermore, even if the public wasn't involved I can assure you they'd still be in deep trouble with the commanding officer of the squadron. Because he's responsible for all 8 aircraft under his command, each $68.2 million, and the people who put them into the air. Things like this don't go unnoticed. Any skipper worth the Command badge he wears on his shirt would be waiting on the flightline to piledrive those pilots into the concrete, public involvement or not. Because if anything happens that's not within regulations and the training plan, like an accident, he gets brought before a board to review what happened. And he, and everyone else under his command, better have been doing their duty and nothing else every second under review or that's their a**. That plane sucks a bird down the intake and goes down, or has an engine flameout and calls in an inflight emergency, or something else, and it comes out in the mishap investigation that the pilot was in the middle of using a $68.2 million piece of hardware for a prank, what would you think would happen to everyone in the chain of command from the skipper down to the pilot? I assure you it's not a tea party. So regardless of public involvement or not, a skipper should, and will, put a stop to that the second wheels are on deck. Command responsibility.
 
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I guess they will be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog poop out of Hong Kong

As a retired military enlisted aviator I can say they are in trouble. I dont think court marshaled though. Probably Art 15, but a Art 15 to a officer is career ender. They will never make rank past LT and if a LT CMDR they will never make CMDR. Where enlisted folks we wear Art 15's like a badge of honor and can still move on with our career and make rank...lol


But all aviators will mess around one way or another. They were just dumb about it and made it blatantly obvious. I was a Helicopter Flight Engineer in the Air Force. Stationed at Nellis AFB, LV you know about 90 miles south of the Box (AREA 51). On night missions we would follow people driving near Mt Charleston without lights 50ft about the deck and just follow them. We used as training for following targets without seeing us. It was so dark out that way you couldn't see anything. We would then pull ahead of the vehicle and hover over the side of the road and land since most of the land out there is either public or BLM. People would either stop, turn around, or once and a while a brave soul would get closer to investigate. We used to get a lot of UFO reports called into the base on those nights...lol
 
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But one householder told KREM 2 she was upset about having to explain to her children what the vapour trail's shape represented.

ahhh yes, that would have been awful, sometimes i feel a bit ashamed about what my fellow citizens say when they open their mouth.

I would have said to my daughter "if you see one of these, whatever it says, DON'T PUT IT IN YOUR MOUTH!"

Actually my wife said it a bit different, "not everything you can put in your mouth, belongs there" :D
 
and i thought >snip>

With NO disrespect to Bran (Tse Mallory) whatsoever:

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