PvP Please help a bad fighting CMDR

[ALGOMATIC]

Their main flaw is that stack as many MRP's as you like, a couple well placed seeker salvos once the shields are down and it's bye bye hardpoints.

Seekers and hounds are OP vs hull tanks IMO and I dont even bother anymore. Also its a press to win weapon so not big deal if I loose against it.

Seeker, or any weapon with 'splash damage' do pose a threat. But there are options. ECM, PDT, and positioning. MRP's do resist splash damage especially if you have more than one MRP. Their damage absorption is multiplicative, and have DR, but two to three decent sized MRP's can keep you in the fight. I often fight with malfunctioning weapons. I apply Hull points to the, well hull, and an HRP or so, to give some bulk, but I do focus more on MRP's for my play style.

There are no counter against hounds, and it seems unfair to force an ECM or PDT to sacrifice an important utility slot specially as the FAS has only 4.

 

[jasonbarron]

Seekers and hounds are OP vs hull tanks IMO and I dont even bother anymore. Also its a press to win weapon so not big deal if I loose against it.



There are no counter against hounds, and it seems unfair to force an ECM or PDT to sacrifice an important utility slot specially as the FAS has only 4.

Agreed. Plus, one point defense hardly cuts it. Realistically you need two against seeker spam, and even then, you're at a big disadvantage. Missiles are just too effective against hard points.

 

[Mohrgan]

There are no counter against hounds, and it seems unfair to force an ECM or PDT to sacrifice an important utility slot specially as the FAS has only 4.

Either ECM and PDT are counters or they are not. Not liking to chose to outfit them, doesn't mean they aren't counters.

Packhounds are a bit out of my experience of late. I don;t see NPC's using them. I am not going to comment on them.

 

[jasonbarron]

Either ECM and PDT are counters or they are not. Not liking to chose to outfit them, doesn't mean they aren't counters.

Packhounds are a bit out of my experience of late. I don;t see NPC's using them. I am not going to comment on them.

Have you ever fought a CMDR skilled at spamming either at you? What we're saying is that the Point Defense is a lackluster defense at best, and the ECM more or less useless against them. If you're in a hull tank and your opponent is a skilled fighter and he's armed with even a pair of c1 seekers, you're in deep do-do, even with a pair of points. What happens is that once the missiles start getting through, and they will, points or not, you're going to start watching your weapons go red. Not from malfunctioning, but from being reduced to zero. The ratio of defensive options vs giving up utility space is way out of balance. Of course, some pilots are better than others at keeping you from getting a lock, but you have to be one skilled . Popping heatsinks to break the lock, flying defensively to keep the lock from being established, spamming your own TLB's and so forth, but as Alg said, Seekers/Packs are point to win, while all the stuff we're talking on defense are Jedi Knight crap.

 

[Mohrgan]

Yeah, months ago though. While I flew either an FdL, not a hull tank, or an FAS, as a hybrid with Bi-weaves. Part of that time there were no MRP's or Military slots. Missiles were still not prevalent after gaining their buff. Heck, hull tanking was still pretty new at that time. The FAS kind of set a new precedence for that.

MRP's and Military slots did make a huge difference. They transformed the FAS, at the time.

I'll leave the PvP balance issue to you guys. Having to prove my bona fides in a friendly discussion gets tiring.

 

[jasonbarron]

Yeah, months ago though. While I flew either an FdL, not a hull tank, or an FAS, as a hybrid with Bi-weaves. Part of that time there were no MRP's or Military slots. Missiles were still not prevalent after gaining their buff. Heck, hull tanking was still pretty new at that time. The FAS kind of set a new precedence for that.

MRP's and Military slots did make a huge difference. They transformed the FAS, at the time.

I'll leave the PvP balance issue to you guys. Having to prove my bona fides in a friendly discussion gets tiring.

Well, this is the PvP sub forum

I agree that MRP's & HRP's make a world of difference in most respects, just that the hardpoints themselves are either too vulnerable or not protected by the MRP's enough. Not trying to offend you, or make you feel like you have to prove yourself, it's just that your opinion runs pretty much the opposite of my experience.

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

Either ECM and PDT are counters or they are not. Not liking to chose to outfit them, doesn't mean they aren't counters.

Packhounds are a bit out of my experience of late. I don;t see NPC's using them. I am not going to comment on them.

Packhounds are a PowerPlay weapon from Li Yong Rui. As far as I know, NPCs don't use PowerPlay specific items.

In my experience, Packhounds defeat point defense pretty handily. ECM can save the day, but like Jason said, you're getting into Jedi Knight territory. Missiles (and emissive weapons) have been the bane of hull tanks and stealth runners for a very long time.

 

[CMDR Lukas Vance]

I have little to no experience of PvP so please don't take my contributions here as in indication of any expertise on my part but I may be able to offer some small crumbs of advice;

1. https://beta.coriolis.edcd.io/ is getting there with the new engineering effects if you don't see the ones you are interested in on the regular one
2. Are you using the DS4 on PS4? If so you may want to consider the HOTAS. See my sig for more info.
3. I've been reading a lot about shields lately; 4 pips increases your shield strength exponentially more than 1/2/3 pips. It's all or nothing with the shield pips UNLESS they are down and recharging.

Good luck o7

 

[CMDR Cknarf]

My power priorities are set like this:

Thrusters 1
FSD 2
Everything else 3 or lower.

This ensures that I am still able to move even with a malfunctioning plant, be it from damage, or scramble spectrum attacks. Many people keep the FSD on priority 1 as well, but depending on your available power, this could leave you sitting there completely helpless.