Please keep Horizons the way it is.

Threeofseven

Threeofseven
Compared to Horizons, Odyssey is a big downgrade. Please do not incorporate Odyssey tech into Horizons. Please leave it the way it is as it’s still a good game.

While the atmospheres are nice, the Odyssey planetary tech is a big downgrade from Horizons.

The grind has been increased 10x while there really isn’t much to do on foot. After about 5 hours you’ve done all there is to do, after that it’s just repetitive.

The lighting and textures are significantly worse in Odyssey.

The station UI and Galaxy map are absolute hot garbage in Odyssey. They are clunky, inefficient and are missing a ton of information (I.e can’t tell which modules a stored ship has, no way to search for fleet carriers etc).

Performance is obviously better in Horizons.

Many years of time and effort has been put in to documenting the wonders and features of the Galaxy. Since Odyssey changes planets (for the worse), it completely wipes out the years of work of sites like EDSM.

Steam ratings for Odyssey are mostly negative while the ratings for Elite Dangerous are mostly positive. Why replace a good game with a bad one?
 
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mephisto9466

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Threeofseven said:
Compared to Horizons, Odyssey is a big downgrade. Please do not incorporate Odyssey tech into Horizons. Please leave it the way it is as it’s still a good game.

While the atmospheres are nice, the Odyssey planetary tech is a big downgrade from Horizons.

The grind has been increased 10x while there really isn’t much to do on foot. After about 5 hours you’ve done all there is to do, after that it’s just repetitive.

The lighting and textures are significantly worse in Odyssey.

The station UI and Galaxy map are absolute hot garbage in Odyssey. They are clunky, inefficient and are missing a ton of information (I.e can’t tell which modules a stored ship has, no way to search for fleet carriers etc).

Performance is obviously better in Horizons.

Many years of time and effort has been put in to documenting the wonders and features of the Galaxy. Since Odyssey changes planets (for the worse), it completely wipes out the years of work of sites like EDSM.

Steam ratings for Odyssey are mostly negative while the ratings for Elite Dangerous are mostly positive. Why replace a good game with a bad one?
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I'll respond to each point seperately

1) This is subjective and i see that you delve into this deeper into the text.

2) This is widely agreed that the planet gen sucks in ody, im not even an explorer personally and idk about you but i like my giant mountain in orrere 2b

3) To specifiy, the grinding for on foot mats is dog doo doo. shouldnt have created different materials to grind for, should make the on foot grinding more rewarding for the materials we already need for ships. Example would be scrapping, the action of finding a crashed ship, taking the arc welder from the maverick suit and cutting the ship to pieces to gain more material than you would in ships doing something like high grade emissions farming.

4)This is subjective, i personally prefer the look of things in ody apart from thargoid explosions

5) Station UI is actually pretty good and I much prefer it to the old hoz UI menus. The stored module section in outfitting UI is SUCH A BOON to people like me. The galaxy map imo is better in Hoz because is less "tabby". Need words frontier, need words beside them tabs. They dont have to be permanent, you can just make them slide out like a scroll.

5B) You need to set a button to view which modules are on which ships, please see screenshot below.

6) This is to be expected because ody is more graphically demanding, which requires better hardware (not talking about poor optimization here, the game is literally more graphically demanding in ody)

7)see statement above

8) The steam reviews that are for ody is mainly due to the release. NOT due to the recent updates. This is something that is true no matter the company. People generally will only leave a review under 2 circumstances. They are either extremely happy about the product, or really upset about the product. So clearly with the absolutely botched release of ody, the reviews will be mostly negative. You need to look at the recent reviews to get a more accurate picture on steam.






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varonica

varonica
Threeofseven said:
I actually experimented with this in the last couple days. I switched back and forth between Ody and Hz at the CG. I actually found that Horizons had more cmdrs in open on several occasions. Of course it could be instancing but there is no denying Horizons is still fairly popular.
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That's not an argument to keep it, popularity isn't a good metric to use. Personally I find the planets in Odyssey far superior to the ones in H, the few times I have swapped from O to H to see the different the H ones have been bland and boring with no redeemable features, the O ones interesting and exciting.
 

LumpTheNoLeggedDog

LumpTheNoLeggedDog
Threeofseven said:
Compared to Horizons, Odyssey is a big downgrade. Please do not incorporate Odyssey tech into Horizons. Please leave it the way it is as it’s still a good game.

While the atmospheres are nice, the Odyssey planetary tech is a big downgrade from Horizons.

The grind has been increased 10x while there really isn’t much to do on foot. After about 5 hours you’ve done all there is to do, after that it’s just repetitive.

The lighting and textures are significantly worse in Odyssey.

The station UI and Galaxy map are absolute hot garbage in Odyssey. They are clunky, inefficient and are missing a ton of information (I.e can’t tell which modules a stored ship has, no way to search for fleet carriers etc).

Performance is obviously better in Horizons.

Many years of time and effort has been put in to documenting the wonders and features of the Galaxy. Since Odyssey changes planets (for the worse), it completely wipes out the years of work of sites like EDSM.

Steam ratings for Odyssey are mostly negative while the ratings for Elite Dangerous are mostly positive. Why replace a good game with a bad one?
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I think your save in Horizons, since there will be no Odyssey on consoles, they can't incorporate Horizons in to Odyssey.
 

varonica

varonica
IcewindZG said:
I fear running Odyssey-based ED on my aging hardware. Horizons is just enough, my computer can manage it and I can enjoy it with the equipment I possess. I agree, I would like to be able to continue to play the game I enjoy.
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That is a fair point I suppose, and also I suspect a major reason OD was cancelled for consoles, the old models just wouldn't be able to run it properly and just producing cosnsole version of OD for the new consoles would be impractical and create a nightmare of support for different code bases, but how old should the hardware that ED is expected to support be? I know I ran it on my old laptop with 970m graphics, it probably wouldn't run OD, but that was, well must be at least 7 years ago now.

It's a question I don't have the answer to because I don't have all the relevant info.
 

Martind Forlon

Martind Forlon
Sorry @Threeofseven , I disagree practically with everything you have said in OP. And in regards to so called grind in OD ... that's either not needed at all or is much (and I mean really MUCH) less mandatory as engineering in Horizons where it is now practically a standard (don't forget various reloads and premium ammos which all need mats). In OD you do not need do engineerign at all and still you can be competetive. Personally I think that they will need at some time merge Horizons and Odyssey with setting permissions to what Horizons players can access. This still ongoing separation must be source of constant issues (including increased fragmentation of playerbase).
 
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EdzUp

EdzUp
To be fair i have played odyssey exclusively since buying it and havent noticed grind, its dependent on how you play.

Play to win and have flashy stuphz before everyone else then its grins to play it for the sake of whiling away an hour just having fin doing thw occasional mission then ita not grind.
 

jojon

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I strongly suspect that when FDev finally draw a line in the sand, and gave up trying to make Odyssey perform well enough on existing install base hardware, this came with recommitting to maintaining Horizons, with its current functionality, on all platforms.

This could be seen as contrary to what was said about a "single code base", but not so much if one read that as single codebase going forward, meaning the Horizons client will be left behind in time, and only receive vital service updates, and game events that function through legacy functions; More and more, additions to game and story arcs will probably transition to requiring Odyssey, not letting Horizons become a grindstone around the neck of progress.

No doubt a fairly distant date or milestone has also been set, for re-evaluating whether to ultimately pull the plug on this continued Horizons support.
 

IcewindZG

IcewindZG
Upgrading the graphics to the Odyssey tech would force many people to upgrade their systems. Considering the insanely challenging lack of hardware availability, this would be a bad time to force an upgrade on the community. If tech was available as usual, there would be almost no issue with encouraging upgrades.

But we're in a different world right now. With the lack of new hardware and the fact that Horizons works on older hardware, integrating new minimum requirements into the game would be a bad move. Many players, who are currently able to skim by on older graphics cards, would simply be unable to play.
I am not against having a better-looking game, but the timing is really not good right now to do so.
 

varonica

varonica
IcewindZG said:
Upgrading the graphics to the Odyssey tech would force many people to upgrade their systems. Considering the insanely challenging lack of hardware availability, this would be a bad time to force an upgrade on the community. If tech was available as usual, there would be almost no issue with encouraging upgrades.
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Not necessarily, it appears that settlements on atmospheric bodies and interiors (FC's, stations etc) are the most demanding areas, so if they get performance ok on just non- atmospheric bodies with the new planetary tech then Horizons players should be ok, but it would need players with lower specced rigs to test it out.
 

Gauntlet

Gauntlet
I'd be fine with Odyssey if they had left non atmospheric landables alone and only rolled out the new planetary tech to the new bodies. But sadly I suspect for technical reasons that wasn't possible.

I can technically run Odyssey just fine, it's just not the game I want to play. For the last 1000 hours of gameplay 90% of my time has been dancing around the spires and gullies of low g non atmospheric Horizons planets with like minded pilots, Odyssey's terrain is laughably dull and boring by comparison, note I'm referring to height maps not textures.

Lock Horizons down to critical updates only across all platforms and confine future to development to Odyssey, gets my vote (if I had one)
 
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