Enough to displace Mahon from #1?
General Please never have a pre-scripted event interfere with a pvp activity (like powerplay) ever again
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The Bugs attacked Earth... You know the birth place of humanity? It wasn't an incursion on some Power, Faction or personality, it was a direct and symbolic attack on humanity as a whole.
This protectionism over PMFs, and all kinds of space empires is a little embarrassing. In to each life some rain must fall. Make some lemon-aide... I mean don't you appreciate any kind of excitement?
This protectionism over PMFs, and all kinds of space empires is a little embarrassing. In to each life some rain must fall. Make some lemon-aide... I mean don't you appreciate any kind of excitement?
Only if Mahon loses Leesti, but that's harder now since they finally got around to fortifying an exploited system in that critical sphere of influence.
Well I have to say well done to both Mahonaise and Kainers for actually playing PP properly and fighting for self interest.
If the Alliance powers fall out, that’s going to be some vicious holoscreen hacking and low value trading
I think that's a fair line of thinking as a general theory, but there ain't no way FDev intended PP 2.0 launch and the December ARX event to collide in this way specifically, and especially not with PP 2.0 still not balanced and with some activities just plain missing from the dynamic.
"Hey, it might be a load of scrappy nonsense, but at least it's OUR load of scrappy nonsense"
What we need to avoid is the ridiculous horse trading that was prevalent in PP1 - the 'if you give me two tangerines I'll give you three bananas' type system swapping. Power blocs like ZYADA should be made impossible as they claw each others eyes out for systems."Hey, it might be a load of scrappy nonsense, but at least it's OUR load of scrappy nonsense"
I think they should make scripted events that mess with power play a regular thing. As long as all powers are equally inconvenienced, of course. Then there would be hot beds for conflicts, and not just the never ending cold war attrition.
I guess the problem is that since PP1 Frontier have always handed the Federation the short end of the stick.
Indeed.
I mean, I'm still deeply traumatized the FAS has never got Crossfire- it just proves FD hate the Federation and its ships.
Well, it will always be like that. Frontier can't change the geography of the bubble. Same goes for the FAS naturally.
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So they are having the players do it instead (though not going to lie colonization does sorta excite me). Maybe it will be great to take our power and our minor faction away from all the madness that is the bubble now.
Like i said, there's definitely a debate to be had of the design of Powerplay and how players 'compete' through that versus the ability for FD to have narrative control over their universe. I can empathise.
But FD cannot have creative licence over the universe held to ransom by players, whether doing BGS or PP, who might be affected by that creative licence. Creating PP in such a way is a bad move by FD.
The solution to that is not to "fence off" critical systems though... but that's the design challenge for FD to sort out.... how do they:
- allow themselves the narrative freedom to put into jeopardy and apply consequence to major notable systems; and
- maintain the integrity of the structured activities in the game?
Again, i empathise with the situation... but while yourself and a bunch of others care about Sol from a PP perspective, i would wager many, many more (indeed, a cg-participation record-breaking amount) care about Sol unconditionally.
In that context, FD definitely made the right choice. Was it a raw deal for Fed PP supporters? Sure. But i don't think that's a reason to not do what they did... only to make sure PP is structured in such a way that blatting major systems isn't a big impost on them.
I think that's certainly more true of PP2 than PP1 - in PP1 Sol was a very good control system with excellent CC due to being in an ultra-high population area, which helped prop up a lot of the rest of the power. In PP2 it's certainly a nice place for a Stronghold but Archer has five more in the general area plus ten other Fortified systems - so, sure, it'd be annoying not to be able to retake Sol in a couple of weeks, but it's not actually going to do more than psychological damage to the Power as a whole.
Yeah - it's an interesting three-way fight there, because Kaine's capital is right between two very strong outposts of Mahon (Leesti) and Winters (Asetsi) neither of which those powers want to give up. Even the Federal powers after most of a decade of being the PP1 punching bags have more solidly-defined cores than that.
The ultra-high SSP on most of the Old Worlds systems makes it unnecessarily painful to do anything about, though. Undermining is generally slow enough without an extra "oh, yeah, have an extra 50% merit penalty" on top of that, at least for a lone operative like me.
It's by design. Frontier said they wanted players to be 'Galaxy Shapers' (future name of my C5 btw). For the galaxy to be 'shapeable' it has to be hilariously, unbelievably, elastic. This is the game now.
I was wondering where all those Winter's NPC ships were coming from.
The irony of the situation is, Kaine can't really be an independent power unless she secures the backside of Tionisla.
No Power worth it's salt will allow another power's stronghold that close to it's capital - no matter how friendly that other power is.