General / Off-Topic Politican assassination in Finland
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According to the report it says:
A local man aged 23 and with a criminal record has been arrested.
Police said it appeared the victims had been chosen at random. The local politician was named as Tiina Wilen-Jappinen, the chairwoman of Imatra's town council.
A rifle was used to carry out the shootings, police said, and the alleged perpetrator was detained almost immediately.
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A local man aged 23 and with a criminal record has been arrested.
Police said it appeared the victims had been chosen at random. The local politician was named as Tiina Wilen-Jappinen, the chairwoman of Imatra's town council.
A rifle was used to carry out the shootings, police said, and the alleged perpetrator was detained almost immediately.
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The "chosen at random" is a sick joke.
A man parks a car in front of a restaurant, takes out a rifle - shoots three people in the head and chest, then puts the rifle in the trunk and waits for the police. Chosen at random my . This was a deliberate killing of a Social-Democrat mayor and two journalists. The anti-refugee far-right groups have been screaming for blood, and the mayor was one of the "enemies".
A man parks a car in front of a restaurant, takes out a rifle - shoots three people in the head and chest, then puts the rifle in the trunk and waits for the police. Chosen at random my . This was a deliberate killing of a Social-Democrat mayor and two journalists. The anti-refugee far-right groups have been screaming for blood, and the mayor was one of the "enemies".
Minonian
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And when he is put in the jail he going to have the same treatment, and going to act like Breivik...
Punishment don't have any withholding power if it's not serious, and the fact he is ready to go prison means it's have no any punishing value at all.
Not in this form at least. The justice system going too easy with this kind of scums.
They can't handle Breivik that nicely as they doing currently. To him jail is a paradise! Because at first the punishment he got is not in balance with his deeds at second, because the law system forgot to state an example on him he got follower, whom going to act just like him.
And this is why sometimes you must kick some butt without mercy, regret and second thought. And you must be serious like death about it.
Punishment don't have any withholding power if it's not serious, and the fact he is ready to go prison means it's have no any punishing value at all.
Not in this form at least. The justice system going too easy with this kind of scums.
They can't handle Breivik that nicely as they doing currently. To him jail is a paradise! Because at first the punishment he got is not in balance with his deeds at second, because the law system forgot to state an example on him he got follower, whom going to act just like him.
And this is why sometimes you must kick some butt without mercy, regret and second thought. And you must be serious like death about it.
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What is the immigrant situation in Finland like, I mean here in Ireland 20% of the population is foreign born. Of course of a lot of those would be English nationals, probably followed by Polish, other Europeans and then non Europeans. On the other hand 17% of Irish born live overseas. Thankfully we don`t have any such inclinations here. There also seems to be issues with mental health in Finland and higher latitude countries during the winter months due to lack of sunlight (vitamin D) and long dark winter days.
Not an excuse of course but poor mental health and guns are a bad combination.
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Minonian
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That's the case.
If you don't have the funds to go private (UK), then the support for anyone with mental heath or depression issues; are non-existent and they are basically, on their own. Waiting lists are months long and treatment is sporadic, at best. Only after something bad happens, do they get any attention or treatment.
I am not saying that this is the case here, because at this time, we know very little. However: The guy that killed Joe Cox, should have been confined a long time ago and a lot of 'professionals' knew that.
Well. A Political reason cannot be excluded here. But I would be careful with Pointing the Finger just yet.
Waiting for some more Info is a Given in this case.
Especially if the Man just waited there to be Arrested. I would assume that if he has an Political Message he will want to Share it anyways. So no need to to roll over on one side just yet. We will likely see more on this soon.
Waiting for some more Info is a Given in this case.
Especially if the Man just waited there to be Arrested. I would assume that if he has an Political Message he will want to Share it anyways. So no need to to roll over on one side just yet. We will likely see more on this soon.
The politician was a vocal defender of refugees and immigrants, and I'm as close to 100% sure as can be that this is the reason she was killed.
The immigration situation is fine. We could afford to take care of a lot more refugees, but the usual far right idiots are pretending that the end is near and we are drowning in horny brown bodies.
For the moment, nothing says that it is an crime linked to the immigration. In any case, immigration or not, a crime is always an horror. As when there is an islamist terrorist attack, let us await the official declarations (because when there is an islamist terrorist attack which makes dozens of dead, and the people say "it is a muslim terrorist" (before knowing the official déclaration ), the word racist comes from everywhere...)
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I would bet it was more to do with mental health issues than extremism. The recent "islamic extemist" attacks, the one with the truck and the shooting, both suspects in that were receiving treatment for mental health problems. I believe the Jo Cox murderer also had mental health issues. Unfortunately, with people who are extremely disturbed, they will carry out horrific acts and attribute it to some sort of cause etc. It's the same how people would commit murders and claim that god or the devil told them to do it.
Minonian
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Fair point. In cases like this, in many times these persons are mentally screwed up, and in addition they are also brainwashed, or for a starter just got some really stupid personal belief / code of honor, view of the world.
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In more details? And they are also have the tendency to put the blame to others. just like a terrorist whom blew you up, or execute the hostage and put the blame to the other, saying it's your fault because you did not met my demands or just simply beign evil. Right... Evil my shiny butt! My fault? Nope!
Your deeds actions and choices, are yours alone. You made them! So it's can't be someone else fault, as far you have a real possibility of choice.
Your deeds, your actions, and choices? Are yours alone! And if it's a sin a crime? Than you are the criminal, you are the wrongdoer, and not the other! Even if the other really did something bad. For that? You still stepped over the line.
You just... Throwing blame around which is in my book the most pathetic thing ever, and everything but not the sign of a real man.
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There's nothing at all in that news document that mentions the far right in any shape or form that I could see.
Sorry Adept, I think you are inadvertently spinning this story. Infact, everything in the story points at it being a random killing.
Do you have anything to support you very bold claim that it has anything to do with politics apart from a polotican being an unfortunate victim.
If it were a bus driver who was the unfortunate would the story mean that it wasnt a random killing and it was actually taxi drivers behind it?
I read teh story again and
"Politican assassination in Finland" - No evidence of that at all or even a mention of that context
Far right hate speech claims more victims - As above.
Thsi really seems like you are spinning a tragedy with your own politcal agenda. Hmmm ... not like you to go making such claims without providing some kind of evidence.
Either way it's a tragedy.
Sorry Adept, I think you are inadvertently spinning this story. Infact, everything in the story points at it being a random killing.
Do you have anything to support you very bold claim that it has anything to do with politics apart from a polotican being an unfortunate victim.
If it were a bus driver who was the unfortunate would the story mean that it wasnt a random killing and it was actually taxi drivers behind it?
I read teh story again and
"Politican assassination in Finland" - No evidence of that at all or even a mention of that context
Far right hate speech claims more victims - As above.
Thsi really seems like you are spinning a tragedy with your own politcal agenda. Hmmm ... not like you to go making such claims without providing some kind of evidence.
Either way it's a tragedy.
I deplore anyone being shot in the street like this for whatever reason.
So far the Reports dont know the Motives.
The Interrogation as well as Wittnesses etc have no produced any results thats would warrant making a claim yet.
Based on Witness Reports the way the Attack was carried out and the time spans in between Actions hint that the Shooter did not actually Identify (at least not before driving there) who he Shot there.
He took his Rifle. Parked on that restaurant and then Shot the three People that came out of the Restaurant without actually knowing who came out there.
So right now there is several Options.
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A Mental Breakdown thus him grabbing a Weapon. Parking at an Restaurant and Shooting the First Group he saw coming out.
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An Shortcut reaction of someone which blames Problems on Refugee Policy (or other Policies which that Mayor stood for) and then when he saw that Face coming out of the Restaurant opened Fire.
this might be the closest to what Adept says. Because this (at least partially) could be blamed on Right Wing (or other Radicals) hate Speeches where they blame everything on certain Politics thus giving people the Feeling that all their Misery is the Fault of this Policy etc.
An Political Assassination is currently Unlikely tough.
According to the Police. The Timing and Locations would not have allowed for an Attack that Targeted a Certain Person beforehand. Meaning that he clearly did not drive out there with the Plan to kill the Social Democrat Mayor or something.
But as I said. Just wait a bit.
We will get to know more over the time.
The Interrogation as well as Wittnesses etc have no produced any results thats would warrant making a claim yet.
Based on Witness Reports the way the Attack was carried out and the time spans in between Actions hint that the Shooter did not actually Identify (at least not before driving there) who he Shot there.
He took his Rifle. Parked on that restaurant and then Shot the three People that came out of the Restaurant without actually knowing who came out there.
So right now there is several Options.
1.
A Mental Breakdown thus him grabbing a Weapon. Parking at an Restaurant and Shooting the First Group he saw coming out.
2.
An Shortcut reaction of someone which blames Problems on Refugee Policy (or other Policies which that Mayor stood for) and then when he saw that Face coming out of the Restaurant opened Fire.
this might be the closest to what Adept says. Because this (at least partially) could be blamed on Right Wing (or other Radicals) hate Speeches where they blame everything on certain Politics thus giving people the Feeling that all their Misery is the Fault of this Policy etc.
An Political Assassination is currently Unlikely tough.
According to the Police. The Timing and Locations would not have allowed for an Attack that Targeted a Certain Person beforehand. Meaning that he clearly did not drive out there with the Plan to kill the Social Democrat Mayor or something.
But as I said. Just wait a bit.
We will get to know more over the time.
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I doubt this was set up by any organization. However, I do believe a mentally disturbed and vulnerable person was influenced by rhetoric and hysteria.
When people are making trumped up or false claims about the dangers facing a community there is an opening for those that are susceptible to act upon their paranoia.
Blame is difficult to assign here. Obviously, if the man is mentally ill, then the system failed at identifying him and helping him with is condition. Further, incidents like this one should hopefully teach partisans on any side to mind the sensationalism and hyperbole. If you speak intelligently on the issues you care about, it usually goes over the heads of crazies. Instead, we are seeing how political groups have taken to pulling on peoples' most basic feelings and prejudices. While effective, at first, it often leaves people with buyer's remorse (agreeing something out of emotion and then later disagreeing after some thought) and leaves a negative and often hostile rhetoric that easily motivates people with certain issues.
Of course, scaring people into believing their livelihoods are in danger will continue to turn votes, so don't expect this to change any time soon.
When people are making trumped up or false claims about the dangers facing a community there is an opening for those that are susceptible to act upon their paranoia.
Blame is difficult to assign here. Obviously, if the man is mentally ill, then the system failed at identifying him and helping him with is condition. Further, incidents like this one should hopefully teach partisans on any side to mind the sensationalism and hyperbole. If you speak intelligently on the issues you care about, it usually goes over the heads of crazies. Instead, we are seeing how political groups have taken to pulling on peoples' most basic feelings and prejudices. While effective, at first, it often leaves people with buyer's remorse (agreeing something out of emotion and then later disagreeing after some thought) and leaves a negative and often hostile rhetoric that easily motivates people with certain issues.
Of course, scaring people into believing their livelihoods are in danger will continue to turn votes, so don't expect this to change any time soon.
Yes it is very probably a man suffering from mental problems and whose the act is absolutely not linked to an animosity towards the immigration. Even if the massive immigration can cause behavioral disturbances in the weak minds
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Full bore nuts are everywhere, just look at the US election, a lot of people went 100% mad and threaten to assassinate the President elect.
Some people just need to take the extra step off the cliff, and do that 100 yard dive into madness.
Now, there will probably be some who will use this tragic event to take away more freedom from the people.
Because "we want to keep you safe" Har har har.... /s
Some people just need to take the extra step off the cliff, and do that 100 yard dive into madness.
Now, there will probably be some who will use this tragic event to take away more freedom from the people.
Because "we want to keep you safe" Har har har.... /s
See now this is the hyperbole I'm talking about. "A lot of people" is not quantifiable however it suggests that it is a generally popular trend. IT IS NOT. In a country of more than 300 million people, the number of folks making threats is not a representative bloc of even a sub-group of the population.
This is exactly the kind of language that takes a normally recluse paranoid schizophrenic and motivates them to act out in public.
Now, I don't want to see any legislation that restricts free speech so this is a natural problem of a free society. However, as a society we can move towards the expectation of civil discourse.