Powerplay = Civil War?

The more I look at the various explorations and tutorials of what Powerplay now allows, the more confused I am about how the politics are meant to function. Not between the various independent factions, but because we now seem to have competing factions within the same power all locked in civil war with one another.

Look at the Federals... Firstly, they seem to be operating in a system more or less equivalent to today's US/UK. But secondly, when you read the two competing personality biographies, Hudson has just been elected into power, whereas Winters has just been democratically voted out by even many of her own supporters! How has she managed to amass her own private space fleet and even staff it, let alone fund it? But more importantly, why hasn't she been classed as an enemy of the state, exiled and hunted down, for endorsing the actions open to you within the 'undermine' category? She's effectively endorsing terrorism and piracy against the Hudson administration's legitimate Federal craft (even more contradictory, her public image is one of wanting to invest heavily in social welfare, healthcare and promotion of happiness).

Trying to translate that into something applicable to today's world, it would be like Obama suffering a huge defeat in a vote of no confidence, revealing he's secretly been creating his own private military and openly endorsing them attacking official US Army, Air Force and Navy transports.

The Imperials have it even worse with their variety of options! Why isn't the galaxy now effectively at civil war?

Of course, there might be a mechanic involved which prevents all of that, but the servers have yet to be up, which means I've had to go by the guides others have made.
 
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There is definitely some suspension of disbelief required. Players on reddit have taken it upon themselves to arrange an alliance between winters and Hudson to account for the fact that above all, we are part of the same nation. So it's an alliance, for the time being, but that of course will only be known to those who are on reddit. Lack of in-game comms and tools to coordinate players within the game strikes again. Someday, FD will comment on this, I just know they will ...
 
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It doesnt make much sense to me you can murder innocent people just because they align to another leader.
 
The more I look at the various explorations and tutorials of what Powerplay now allows, the more confused I am about how the politics are meant to function. Not between the various independent factions, but because we now seem to have competing factions within the same power all locked in civil war with one another.

Look at the Federals... Firstly, they seem to be operating in a system more or less equivalent to today's US/UK. But secondly, when you read the two competing personality biographies, Hudson has just been elected into power, whereas Winters has just been democratically voted out by even many of her own supporters! How has she managed to amass her own private space fleet and even staff it, let alone fund it? But more importantly, why hasn't she been classed as an enemy of the state, exiled and hunted down, for endorsing the actions open to you within the 'undermine' category? She's effectively endorsing terrorism and piracy against the Hudson administration's legitimate Federal craft (even more contradictory, her public image is one of wanting to invest heavily in social welfare, healthcare and promotion of happiness).

Trying to translate that into something applicable to today's world, it would be like Obama suffering a huge defeat in a vote of no confidence, revealing he's secretly been creating his own private military and openly endorsing them attacking official US Army, Air Force and Navy transports.

The Imperials have it even worse with their variety of options! Why isn't the galaxy now effectively at civil war?

Of course, there might be a mechanic involved which prevents all of that, but the servers have yet to be up, which means I've had to go by the guides others have made.

I find it strange too. The Hudson and Winters factions are spending huge amount of time/resources undermining each other.
Neither are using Federation assets, military, etc. Neither actually own a single spacestation or outpost.

Closest thing to RL I can relate it too is pre-election manifestos, like Obama promoting Obamacare (before he became president)

<shrug> :)

Edit: I can see Imperials in-fighting, because they all seem to have their own agendas.
 
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Bit more in this thread: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=153865
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Best response is likening it to the Roman Empire, but that still doesn't work in the Federation. I reckon there should be official "Rivalry/Covert War/Open War" relationships between powers, with it being galactic news if it changes.
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Edit: PS I wish they'd integrate the minor faction situation in some meaningful way with the Powers as well. If George Bush takes over Iraq, Saddam Hussein doesn't stay in charge.
 
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The analogy might work better if you think of the Federation as maybe NATO or SEATO or any other alliance and the powers as representing the individual countries. Or possibly the Federation as a political affiliation while the powers represent major trading groups within that affiliation. Where all this falls down is the lack of an actual Federal navy and I do agree it is fairly hard to swallow and all very wishy washy.
 
With the way Undermining works right now, Powers in the same major faction don't really fight each other (resulting in a huge advantage for the Imperials), so this isn't much of a concern.
 
They actually would be Federation assets. Hudson's, anyway. They're Federal craft operating in Federal space and openly aligned to the Federation's President.

It gets even stranger when you realise they'd be political enemies. Why in the world wouldn't Hudson be making as much political capital as possible, condeming Winters for endorsing piracy and attacks on Federation merchant vessels and such? Even if, for whatever reason, the might of the Federal Navy isn't sent after her (which would be more than justified for the pirate attacks upsetting trade, alone), she'd never win an election after this! Especially as she's essentially running on the 'peace and good will' public image.

it just feels like they should have left the Powerplay stuff exclusively to the Alliance and independent factions. Either that or make sure any Imperial/Federal factions are forced to rely purely on non-military actions against one another, like espionage (especially if they're meant to belong to the same 'side').

Imperials... I don't know. They seem to have a 'survival of the fittest' mentality, but why isn't their Emperor stomping down on all the open hostilities? If they're based on the Roman Empire, well, the Romans certainly went into civil war over things like this!
 
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imperials... I don't know. They seem to have a 'survival of the fittest' mentality, but why isn't their Emperor stomping down on all the open hostilities? If they're based on the Roman Empire, well, the Romans certainly went into civil war over things like this!

The Empire is only based on Rome very, very superficially. It has an Emperor and Senators. That's it. Nothing else is similar. Its actual structure is closer to an early medieval state, and Senators are closer to feudal lords operating in near-independence of the central authority, rather than actual Roman senators. I do agree with the rest of what you've said, though.
 
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Maybe what it needs is an expansion to the types of activities that can be done on an opposing-power basis. And this can be based on a number of states such as AT WAR or ALLIED etc (which in my perfect world would be states that we could vote on...). Think through this with me:

- Powers would have combat missions for powers that they are at war with
- Powers would have non-combat missions, such as trade or propaganda or collection, for powers that they are NOT at war with
- These types of missions would change depending on the current relationship between the two powers. So Hudson and Winters, for example, not being in a state of open Civil War, would have propaganda missions when it comes to undermining each other, but they might be combat missions against Archon. But if Hudson and Winters went into civil war, those mission types would turn into combat.
- The various political states between factions could be something that is driven by FD but better yet would be something players can vote on. Should we enter into alliance with Winters? Should we become trade allies with Aisling? Should we provide economic support to another Power (maybe a 10% boost for goods sold by players of that power to our systems)? Now we start to see a real investment by players who want to grind those 10,000 merits to increase their voting power because they can SHAPE the galaxy, not just react to it. And to me that is the promise of the powerplay concept. Shape, not react.
 
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Those sound like some great ways to add some realism. The whole point of this thing is basically to add to role-playing value and that requires some cohesion for the background side of it.
 
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Federation should not even be in power play. Hudson is the president and winters would be in jail for treason. Dose not make sense to me.
 
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