At the current time these changes are the only ones PP will be getting in the near term (Q4 -), FD may have grander plans further on, but for now this is the level of change possible in the time available.
Powerplay Powerplay is probably going open only - finally an amazing change
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At the current time these changes are the only ones PP will be getting in the near term (Q4 -), FD may have grander plans further on, but for now this is the level of change possible in the time available.
I don't think you quite understood the agreement if you think your argument is valid...
Some lessons are harder learnt than others.
I neither like nor dislike your prediction. Such an opinion is immaterial to the fact that, per force, a prediction is not verified until after the event it predicts comes to pass.
Your deduction isn't based on certainties, but upon your subjective opinion of how people will react (contingent on their own subjective opinions) to a handful of known facts (at least a few of which you've gotten wrong).
The best thing about Open Only is that it would encourage PvE and PvP players to work together. We Feds do Powerplay in Open since forever and this kind of collaboration is what makes the game more fun for everyone.
As a PvP'er myself, interdicting an enemy wing and keeping them busy while my friends are in supercruise moving their cargo to their destination is much more rewarding than just killing random people in a CG.
For our haulers, jumping into a system knowing that there are hostiles around but also friendly PvP'ers providing escort is a more thrilling and social experience than just mindlessly grind merits in Solo/PG.
Yeah, engineering makes survival easier but that's not a powerplay only thing. Many things in the game are easier if you have an engineered endgame ship.
See my reply to point 2.
This is so wrong. I'm pledged to Felicia Winters, which is a hauling power (i.e. we expand by transporting stuff, not by combat), and our haulers are more than able to do their thing and survive in Open. See my reply to point 1.
Players voluntarily pledge for a Power and when they do they are taking a side in a conflict. Killing an enemy CMDR indeed helps your Power, especially if they're holding merits. That's why C&P rules have exceptions for Powerplay kills.
I disagree. Some players won't like Open Only and quit, but some others will come back to Powerplay after quitting long time ago because fighting an invisible enemy wasn't fun. I don't think the player count will change much at the end of the day.
In one of the focused feedback PowerPlay flash posts Sandro stated the change was not going to happen in the short term or medium term, so Q4 is most likely out of the picture for PPOO.
It has also been stated that open has the highest population of all the modes. If that is in fact true, the anticipated flood of commanders to PP in OO is likely to be a non occurrence.
If the idea is to stop 5th column the above combined with instance issues, time zones, network bandwidth etc seems to put that idea out of its misery as well.
The people who want to play in open and do PP are already doing it, I dont see that changing regardless of it going OO or not. There may be some commanders who take part in PPOO who do not now but will probably be offset by those that leave for the same reason.
PPOO is not the magic bullet to stop 5th column or invigorate PP, in my opinion of course.
Would it stop the bots? Exploiters going to exploit so I think the most it will do is slow it down for a small period of time, as well as add other exploits into the mix
I think PP needs some love, like so many of the aspects of the game, just throwing it into a locked mode seems lazy and noneffective to me.
It has also been stated that open has the highest population of all the modes. If that is in fact true, the anticipated flood of commanders to PP in OO is likely to be a non occurrence.
If the idea is to stop 5th column the above combined with instance issues, time zones, network bandwidth etc seems to put that idea out of its misery as well.
The people who want to play in open and do PP are already doing it, I dont see that changing regardless of it going OO or not. There may be some commanders who take part in PPOO who do not now but will probably be offset by those that leave for the same reason.
PPOO is not the magic bullet to stop 5th column or invigorate PP, in my opinion of course.
Would it stop the bots? Exploiters going to exploit so I think the most it will do is slow it down for a small period of time, as well as add other exploits into the mix
I think PP needs some love, like so many of the aspects of the game, just throwing it into a locked mode seems lazy and noneffective to me.
This is contradicting and stupid.
No Offense but why is the only Options to either Force PP into Open or to do nothing ?
How about ACTUALLY IMPROVING POWERPLAY TO WORK PROPERLY AND BE FUN ????
How about simply making 5c less effective by reducing the Merits gained from these Actions
I know. What an absurd Idea. Actually improving a System. How could that ever work.......
Also. No Offense. But Right now out of the Options you listed. Option 1 of doing nothing would be the one Option where Powerplay will Survive the Longest.
Because Option 2 will make Factions degrade and go Negative even Faster because all of the PvE Players which deliver Fortification/Garrisson etc will be gone. Thus the Factions massively losing Points and Systems.
And Option 3 would as you apparently want it would basicly be Option 2 in disguise.
In Short. Option 3 and Option 2 would Kill Powerplay even faster lol
So the Fact that they tried this method not only in other Games but here in Elite Dangerous several times and Failed Horribly. Is a Personal Subjective Opinion ?
Sorry but to use a well known Quote
If you claim that my Personal Opinion that this will Fail just as Badly as the earlier attempts to Force Players into Playing something they dont have Fun Playing. Then Feel free to tell me why you think that it should work this time.
Which means they never said it wont go Open. But only said that its not going to happen within the few Months.
Thats a vastly Different Statement Mate lol
Same for the Open has highest Playerbase. I would like to know the actual Statement. Because this can be a very Misleading Statement.
In your case it Sounds like Open is more than 51% of the Playerbase. Thus the Players locked out from PP would be fairly Small. But thats already extremely Extremely Wrong.
The Game got 3 Gamemodes. So being the Biggest of the 3 Modes would mean it only needs to have 34% of the Player or More.
Meaning that 66% of the Players are still Locked out.
Thats far from being Insignificant
And it also doesnt change that vast Majority of Players is not Open Players
Thats the thing with having more than 2 Modes.
Just being the Biggest doesnt actually mean you have the Majority.
Then again. Even this is really Unlikely to me.
Given that alone the Playergroups I know run more than 1k Online thus being 25% of the Players alone.
Its hard to Imagine that with all the Solo Players and Private Groups that I cannot see or check on. Open would really be Bigger.
There would also be the Question of how they Counted. As you can Change Modes as you want. So if they just Counted how many of the Players are Playing Open at least once per Week. You would likely get 80% of the Players just due to People trying to find Missions or Checking on Open to look around. Thing is. They dont really Play Open Actively. They dont actually run any Actions in Open. They merely go to Open if they are in the Mood for PvP or to look around or to get Missions on the Station
And no.
Open Only is not the Magic Bullet...
Its the Mercy Bullet. Because it will lock out a massive Number of Players from PP and thus Drive the Final Nail in the Coffin of PP.
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This is contradicting and stupid.
No Offense but why is the only Options to either Force PP into Open or to do nothing ?
How about ACTUALLY IMPROVING POWERPLAY TO WORK PROPERLY AND BE FUN ????
How about simply making 5c less effective by reducing the Merits gained from these Actions
I know. What an absurd Idea. Actually improving a System. How could that ever work.......
Also. No Offense. But Right now out of the Options you listed. Option 1 of doing nothing would be the one Option where Powerplay will Survive the Longest.
Because Option 2 will make Factions degrade and go Negative even Faster because all of the PvE Players which deliver Fortification/Garrisson etc will be gone. Thus the Factions massively losing Points and Systems.
And Option 3 would as you apparently want it would basicly be Option 2 in disguise.
In Short. Option 3 and Option 2 would Kill Powerplay even faster lol
No offense. Are you actually listening at all?
You have no idea how 5C operate. They use PG AFK turretboats to simply farm merits, making combat expansions a joke unless you do it as well- breaking the system totally. 5C also fortify in solo, and use bots in PG and solo.
How about simply making 5c less effective by reducing the Merits gained from these Actions
To break the cycle you'd have to eliminate PG and / or remove regen so people could not camp in private.Weighted merits would also help, but as I said the weighting would have to be almost 100% open because otherwise farmed merits are still too much.
I would absolutely love to have PP redesigned, 5C can be removed through change but that change is too much for the time being- but FD and Sandro are doing a series of small changes to tackle 5C within the current framework- nothing more, nothing less. Asking for a total redesign at the time is fruitless as it won't happen, but PP has real problems that need dealing with now.
You are ignorant in thinking doing nothing will be best. At least four powers are regular victims of 5C- Mahon with bots prepping crap, Torval LYR and Archon each week have systems forced on them from invisible opponents. These are not randoms- they are calculated attacks that sap the morale of people playing legitimately.
Also, there is no more space to expand into because powers have extended everywhere- since its so easy to fortify and hard to attack PP has ground to a halt. If fortifying was actually perilous then a new balance would be struck that would make such large territories harder to maintain.
This is contradicting and stupid.
No Offense but why is the only Options to either Force PP into Open or to do nothing ?
How about ACTUALLY IMPROVING POWERPLAY TO WORK PROPERLY AND BE FUN ????
How about simply making 5c less effective by reducing the Merits gained from these Actions
I know. What an absurd Idea. Actually improving a System. How could that ever work.......
Also. No Offense. But Right now out of the Options you listed. Option 1 of doing nothing would be the one Option where Powerplay will Survive the Longest.
Because Option 2 will make Factions degrade and go Negative even Faster because all of the PvE Players which deliver Fortification/Garrisson etc will be gone. Thus the Factions massively losing Points and Systems.
And Option 3 would as you apparently want it would basicly be Option 2 in disguise.
In Short. Option 3 and Option 2 would Kill Powerplay even faster lol
So the Fact that they tried this method not only in other Games but here in Elite Dangerous several times and Failed Horribly. Is a Personal Subjective Opinion ?
Sorry but to use a well known Quote
If you claim that my Personal Opinion that this will Fail just as Badly as the earlier attempts to Force Players into Playing something they dont have Fun Playing. Then Feel free to tell me why you think that it should work this time.
Which means they never said it wont go Open. But only said that its not going to happen within the few Months.
Thats a vastly Different Statement Mate lol
Same for the Open has highest Playerbase. I would like to know the actual Statement. Because this can be a very Misleading Statement.
In your case it Sounds like Open is more than 51% of the Playerbase. Thus the Players locked out from PP would be fairly Small. But thats already extremely Extremely Wrong.
The Game got 3 Gamemodes. So being the Biggest of the 3 Modes would mean it only needs to have 34% of the Player or More.
Meaning that 66% of the Players are still Locked out.
Thats far from being Insignificant
And it also doesnt change that vast Majority of Players is not Open Players
Thats the thing with having more than 2 Modes.
Just being the Biggest doesnt actually mean you have the Majority.
Then again. Even this is really Unlikely to me.
Given that alone the Playergroups I know run more than 1k Online thus being 25% of the Players alone.
Its hard to Imagine that with all the Solo Players and Private Groups that I cannot see or check on. Open would really be Bigger.
There would also be the Question of how they Counted. As you can Change Modes as you want. So if they just Counted how many of the Players are Playing Open at least once per Week. You would likely get 80% of the Players just due to People trying to find Missions or Checking on Open to look around. Thing is. They dont really Play Open Actively. They dont actually run any Actions in Open. They merely go to Open if they are in the Mood for PvP or to look around or to get Missions on the Station
And no.
Open Only is not the Magic Bullet...
Its the Mercy Bullet. Because it will lock out a massive Number of Players from PP and thus Drive the Final Nail in the Coffin of PP.
Strange I dont ever recall saying it would never go open only, you must have read that somewhere else.
As far as what FDEV means about a Majority of players playing in open, there has been quite a discussion about that and what they actually mean but no actual numbers have been (or probably will) be given. Your guess is as good as anyones. Buit then so is the next guys/gals.
If you want the actual post, its in focused feedback in one of the two powerplay flash discussions.
I dont think we disagree that ppoo (p-poo?) isn't a good idea.
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Honestly, Solo and Open should never directly compete with each other. Content should made specifically with one or the other in mind. Personally, I think they should have removed solo's effects on open a long time ago, but I'm totally ok with solo being around. If they are a must, then they should have effects that don't directly compete with open. Like...being able to increase amount of police or maybe generate more powerful police, unable to affect faction control, but able to affect the outfitting store, having more direct relationship with economies to enhance the systems they contribute to and so on. Side Note: the lockdown bombing and faction changing seems like it's the same thing as competing w/o consequences.
I think the essential issue is that you can't have the two platforms competing directly with each other. Essentially, it will always become unfair and contentious. Create specific only content or content that has parts for each group in mind.
My 2cents and I hope PowerPlay goes Open Only.
I think the essential issue is that you can't have the two platforms competing directly with each other. Essentially, it will always become unfair and contentious. Create specific only content or content that has parts for each group in mind.
My 2cents and I hope PowerPlay goes Open Only.