Powerplay Powerplay should be exempt from the new Pilots Federation Bounties

[Jason Lightning]

At first Kumo Crew is not officially registered as a "Power" you can Powerplay. Its a local faction at max. They are an anarchic organized group, but its not possible for a local faction to control a system by 100%
On a side Note, I can't even figure them out on Inara to be a registered player or in game faction. Hence there are a few rules in there. Murderers are almost nowhere welcome. Just accept it: Shooting innocents may have
consequences no matter if NPC or not.

Regards,
Miklos

If you are doing Powerplay you are no longer an innocent civilian, everyone is a shade of gray in Powerplay.

Also INARA has nothing to do with Powerplay rules, technically they aren't even established yet. The issue is that the normal C&P applying to Powerplay will throw out established Powerplay PvP action since one would become wanted in their own home. What kind of environment can a Federation Hudson CMDR attacking a hostile Alliance Mahon CMDR become wanted in their home territory? That's the issue here, it doesn't factor into nonpledged innocents.

 

[VR StarLightPL]

If you are doing Powerplay you are no longer an innocent civilian, everyone is a shade of gray in Powerplay.

Actually it turns you into a ruthless, cold-blooded killer even for the non-combat powers (like winters). Actually it always dropped me out of my suspension of disbelief when an enemy imperial transport carrying something was begging in coms for his life AFTER he dropped powerplay cargo and we HAD TO kill him nonetheless. These messages ("Please, I have children to feed") will haunt me for a long time ;-). For Hudson/ALD, yeah, combat focused, okay. But for Winters? When we operate mainly by propaganda and financial means? Just one more rough edge in this game.

 

[Jason Lightning]

Actually it turns you into a ruthless, cold-blooded killer even for the non-combat powers (like winters). Actually it always dropped me out of my suspension of disbelief when an enemy imperial transport carrying something was begging in coms for his life AFTER he dropped powerplay cargo and we HAD TO kill him nonetheless. These messages ("Please, I have children to feed") will haunt me for a long time ;-). For Hudson/ALD, yeah, combat focused, okay. But for Winters? When we operate mainly by propaganda and financial means? Just one more rough edge in this game.

Bit of an exaggeration right? You don't have to stay in RP mode in this forum, they are just NPCs and this is just a game.

At least I'm assuming that wink is to show you are being sarcastic.

 

[withnail]

At first Kumo Crew is not officially registered as a "Power" you can Powerplay. Its a local faction at max. They are an anarchic organized group, but its not possible for a local faction to control a system by 100%
On a side Note, I can't even figure them out on Inara to be a registered player or in game faction. Hence there are a few rules in there. Murderers are almost nowhere welcome. Just accept it: Shooting innocents may have
consequences no matter if NPC or not.

Regards,
Miklos

Those of us who are pledged to Archon Delaine call themselves the Kumo Crew.

In fact, because of Frontier's embargo on galnet articles about Powerplay leaders, none of us can relate to Archon Delaine. There is very little interesting (in my opinion) lore about him and Frontier have given up developing the character.

We play as the Kumo Crew, because that is the ethos that we relate to.

 

[Toumal]

I agree with OP. Pledging to an enemy power should make you fair game for attack. Or at the very least, if you're carrying PP commodities - which would be the same rules as NPCs currently operate under.

 

[Misaniovent]

At first Kumo Crew is not officially registered as a "Power" you can Powerplay. Its a local faction at max. They are an anarchic organized group, but its not possible for a local faction to control a system by 100%
On a side Note, I can't even figure them out on Inara to be a registered player or in game faction. Hence there are a few rules in there. Murderers are almost nowhere welcome. Just accept it: Shooting innocents may have
consequences no matter if NPC or not.

Regards,
Miklos

Nothing you just said has any bearing on powerplay or the game mechanically whatsoever.

 

[Miklos Atreides]

Nothing you just said has any bearing on powerplay or the game mechanically whatsoever.

Clearly there is a wider view in it, you can't see. If you switch off the game giving the foundation to Powerplay, maybe there is some sense in complaining that things happen how they happen today.
But feeding multiple ways of gameplay above and beyond Powerplay with/without PvP you have to consider more than your tiny plate you are looking at.

But to be honest, I am not part of this Powerplay things and still not fully understand it. In fact for me it often seems to have more sense to switch Powerplay out of the main game while putting
CQC in.

Returning to the legislation handling ethics. From your perspective the Police (you) should be allowed to kill anyome who enters your territory from outside just because he's supporting a different leader.
This leads to full anarchic behaviour and Hudson will end up in hell as a victim of his own politics.

But you don't need to share this view, nor I do expect this.

Regards,
Miklos

 

[Jason Lightning]

Clearly there is a wider view in it, you can't see. If you switch off the game giving the foundation to Powerplay, maybe there is some sense in complaining that things happen how they happen today.
But feeding multiple ways of gameplay above and beyond Powerplay with/without PvP you have to consider more than your tiny plate you are looking at.

But to be honest, I am not part of this Powerplay things and still not fully understand it. In fact for me it often seems to have more sense to switch Powerplay out of the main game while putting
CQC in.

Returning to the legislation handling ethics. From your perspective the Police (you) should be allowed to kill anyome who enters your territory from outside just because he's supporting a different leader.
This leads to full anarchic behaviour and Hudson will end up in hell as a victim of his own politics.

But you don't need to share this view, nor I do expect this.

Regards,
Miklos

So you don't even do Powerplay yet want it regulated now?

It doesn't concern you at all, everyone who joined Powerplay volunteered to be shot at by pledging, hence the disclaimer and optional power system.

Maybe stick to talking about game features you actually use, you don't Powerplay so you wouldn't understand the appeal nor that it is entirely optional.

 

[SMcA]

OP I have no idea what you are talking about . Cna you let fok lie me knwo what you are refering to in your opening post please with some links or a summary. Cheers.

Might do that when you get your fingers untwisted.

The little I know is:

Spoiler

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There are to be new rules. One is paying off bounties in a sidewinder is to stop. The rebuy will be for the highest value ship that incurred the bounty.
I've heard talk about getting a Pilot Fed fine if you attack someone with the report crimes against me flag switched on. But I'm not 100% sure.

 

[rjwhite41]

Why not make Power Play a place where meaningful PvP can happen? That's all we're asking for. There is no place else in this game for random, meaningful PvP.

 

[withnail]

This.

Pledge, play in open and get shot at.

 

[Gunnet]

Why not make Power Play a place where meaningful PvP can happen? That's all we're asking for. There is no place else in this game for random, meaningful PvP.

There being in-universe consequences for attacking and destroying clean ships makes doing so more meaningful. Instead of meaningless fights, players gain the ability to live the life of a political assassin.

Not to mention the meaningful bounty hunting opportunities it will provide.

 

[rjwhite41]

There being in-universe consequences for attacking and destroying clean ships makes doing so more meaningful. Instead of meaningless fights, players gain the ability to live the life of a political assassin.

Not to mention the meaningful bounty hunting opportunities it will provide.

The fights in PP are rarely meaningless. This is quite different from CG or noob griefing.

 

[Jason Lightning]

Hello Commanders!

With regards to Powerplay and karma: our initial thoughts are that it's likely that karma will not track valid Powerplay engagements as that system is overtly consensual player versus player, and not initially available to new starters.

This is somewhat encouraging, and reiterates what a lot of us here have said, if you pledge Powerplay you waive C&P from other Powerplayers.

We just need to see what 'likely' means.

 

[NeilF]

This is somewhat encouraging, and reiterates what a lot of us here have said, if you pledge Powerplay you waive C&P from other Powerplayers.

We just need to see what 'likely' means.

The devil is in the detail

So the C&P (karma) system will not track "valid Powerplay engagements". Now when is a "valid Powerplay engagements?":-
- Any time/any place two CMDRs meet signed up to different Powers?
- When two CMDRs from different Powers meet up on "battle fronts" of those two powers. eg: Systems they're both contending?

The first seems painful if you wish to just go of to look at the Thargoid ruins in your Asp but unfortunately have a "shoot me" sign on you for any/all other Powers, even though you're sort of on a break...

 

[thearmysredneck]

Why not make Power Play a place where meaningful PvP can happen? That's all we're asking for. There is no place else in this game for random, meaningful PvP.

The whole reason I gave power play another stab since 1.4, oh and I wanted that AdvPA, and green shields...But trying to get some of the suck out of my pvp, and doing it in a meaningful way.

 

[Jason Lightning]

The devil is in the detail

So the C&P (karma) system will not track "valid Powerplay engagements". Now when is a "valid Powerplay engagements?":-
- Any time/any place two CMDRs meet signed up to different Powers?
- When two CMDRs from different Powers meet up on "battle fronts" of those two powers. eg: Systems they're both contending?

The first seems painful if you wish to just go of to look at the Thargoid ruins in your Asp but unfortunately have a "shoot me" sign on you for any/all other Powers, even though you're sort of on a break...

If you really were on a break, you would unpledge. Also Thargoid ruins are in anarchies anyway, far away from any legal oversight or NPC cops. Use solo if you are that worried, private if you want to visit with friends, Mobius if with strangers.

 

[oflow]

Silly question probably but why doesnt an npc PP faction enforcer get a wanted status when they shoot at you first?

 

[VR StarLightPL]

Silly question probably but why doesnt an npc PP faction enforcer get a wanted status when they shoot at you first?

In your "old power" system you're seen as enemy, in opposing powers' territories he should get a wanted status because you're "clean" there.
OR, you were "WANTED" yourself.
OR you had "report crimes OFF".