PP 2.0 Mining Explanation

[Kailoren]

I've seen varying things around discords and forum threads but can't seem to get any concrete answer to this, so what do you actually do with mining to gain merits?

Most of the systems I can find controlled by my power that have high sell prices don't have rings in that system so I can't mine there, and I don't know if I can just mine anywhere and then sell it? It seems to take forever to laser mine these days compared to the old days and I just would like to know exactly where I can/can't mine from and where I can/can't sell to

 

[Vedmo]

Check this out, and happy mining!

 

[Kailoren]

Check this out, and happy mining!

Thanks for this, but from my understanding it only tells me where to mine but not where to sell. I get that you're not getting credits you're getting merits but my understanding with trade in PP2.0 that profit = prizes, and the higher profit you sell things for the more merits you earn from the trade.


And for this:

Acquisition of neutral systems

Any friendly Fortified or Stronghold system in range of the neutral system

If I mine in the Fortified or Stronghold system, where do I sell it? In the neutral system I want to help acquire? How big is the range from the Fortified or Stronghold systems?

 

[Vedmo]

I believe the action column, while listing the desire outcome, would also denote where you are selling, it is just presenting it from a different approach than you are questioning from.

If I mine in the Fortified or Stronghold system, where do I sell it? In the neutral system I want to help acquire?

Yes, if it is in range of the acquisition system (you could also sell in same system of your power that you mined in to reinforce that system). To get the range of the neutral system you want to acquire, go to system map, then pick power play information in the right column, then in the bottom of the pop up that appears toggle strategic view, so anything system within the sphere that is fortified or stronghold you can mine to sell in the acquisition system.

 

[Kailoren]

It seems like the powers that I look at, they either don't have any good hotspots to mine in (double overlap, high yield etc), and the ones that do have good hotspots their sell prices in their little bubble range is like 1/4 the value.

What happens if I mine in reinforcing system? Do I have to sell the minerals in that system or can I sell to a different reinforcing system that my power controls?

 

[Vedmo]

It seems like the powers that I look at, they either don't have any good hotspots to mine in (double overlap, high yield etc), and the ones that do have good hotspots their sell prices in their little bubble range is like 1/4 the value.

Yes, that will likely be the case, and the ones with hot spots will have local markets flooded, keeping demand down.

What happens if I mine in reinforcing system? Do I have to sell the minerals in that system or can I sell to a different reinforcing system that my power controls?

Same system only, from my understanding.

 

[St0rmFury]

This actually presents a conundrum. If you acquire a system with good selling price but no rings, that system will lose their value since you can no longer use mining to generate merits in the system you just acquired.

Someone made a topic about this here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/powerplay-mining-woes.631296/

 

[Kailoren]

I read that yesterday, it does seem like a bit of a headache that needs adjusting tbh. I've noticed on Inara that all the good buy price systems are ones that have no rings to mine in. It's becoming increasingly annoying that I have to check the hotspot locations, cross-reference that to Inara to see what the demand is like in that system, and then check in-game to see what the powerplay state of that system is before actually deciding if its even worth it to go mine there

 

[Kailoren]

How often do planetary rings regenerate their resources? I legit don't even want to play the game any more at this point because all the stronhold/fortified systems that have rings in are depleted, and the ones that I can mine in you can't sell to that system because the station demand is at 0 (or <1000 at best). Literally feels like if you didn't mine for merits at launch of PP2.0 you just can't do it now, or you can but you're getting so few merits from doing it that it's not even worth your time to mine

 

[St0rmFury]

How often do planetary rings regenerate their resources? I legit don't even want to play the game any more at this point because all the stronhold/fortified systems that have rings in are depleted, and the ones that I can mine in you can't sell to that system because the station demand is at 0 (or <1000 at best). Literally feels like if you didn't mine for merits at launch of PP2.0 you just can't do it now, or you can but you're getting so few merits from doing it that it's not even worth your time to mine

IIRC, for laser mining it's 3 hours, for core mining it's every server refresh.

 

[forbiddenlake]

station demand is at 0 (or <1000 at best).

Station demand at 0 with a good price still works.
I don't know which power you are but look at Paesia for AD for example. 500k control points by midday Friday. Why? Pristine metallic ring, Plat hotspots (plus a plat+haz overlap), and a station buying at 217k even with 0 demand. Which sure, isn't 270k, but it's still very good for credits and merits.

 

[Kailoren]

Station demand at 0 with a good price still works.
I don't know which power you are but look at Paesia for AD for example. 500k control points by midday Friday. Why? Pristine metallic ring, Plat hotspots (plus a plat+haz overlap), and a station buying at 217k even with 0 demand. Which sure, isn't 270k, but it's still very good for credits and merits.

Wait really? I thought with 0 demand you just couldn't sell to that station. I was with Yuri Grom as i'd found a nice system with a low res hotspot in a pristine ring. I had wanted to use Paesia because of the haz res but figured since the demand was 0 it was pointless to move power

 

[Ian Doncaster]

This actually presents a conundrum. If you acquire a system with good selling price but no rings, that system will lose their value since you can no longer use mining to generate merits in the system you just acquired.

That's good, though - mining is already one of the strongest actions if carried out in the right place, so having it not always be available is a more interesting balancing factor than nerfing its per-tonne value so it's more comparable with bounty hunting or powerplay commodities as an "always works".

How often do planetary rings regenerate their resources? I legit don't even want to play the game any more at this point because all the stronhold/fortified systems that have rings in are depleted

Depleted/Minor/Major/Pristine is a permanent property of the system and can only change by direct Frontier intervention, which is rare (I can only think of one time).

However, core mining isn't affected by the resources property - only laser mining is - so you can use that even in systems closer to the centre of the bubble.

Also, if you find an Exploited system with good laser-mining pristine rings, you can boost it up to Fortified by selling locally and then use it to acquire more systems.

I thought with 0 demand you just couldn't sell to that station

There are two types of "zero demand" - and in both cases, you can sell the cargo if you want.

1) The station's economy wants the commodity, but already has had lots of it sold recently. You can still sell more (the demand just goes further into hidden negative numbers), just not for the best price. (Though with the right BGS states, some zero-demand markets might have a better price than the average max-demand one)

2) The station's economy doesn't want the commodity. In this case it'll only show up on the market at all if you happen to be carrying it in your hold, and it will sell for an extremely bad price if you try to dump it anyway.

 

[Kailoren]

There are two types of "zero demand" - and in both cases, you can sell the cargo if you want.

1) The station's economy wants the commodity, but already has had lots of it sold recently. You can still sell more (the demand just goes further into hidden negative numbers), just not for the best price. (Though with the right BGS states, some zero-demand markets might have a better price than the average max-demand one)

2) The station's economy doesn't want the commodity. In this case it'll only show up on the market at all if you happen to be carrying it in your hold, and it will sell for an extremely bad price if you try to dump it anyway.

So in terms of PP2.0 can you mine from a ring and sell to a station within the same system for merits even if the demand is 0 and the system is a fortified/stronghold system? My understanding was that if you mine in a fortified/stronghold system you can only sell to reinforcement systems within the sphere of influence of said fortified/stronghold system

 

[Ian Doncaster]

So in terms of PP2.0 can you mine from a ring and sell to a station within the same system for merits even if the demand is 0 and the system is a fortified/stronghold system?

Whether "Demand is zero" works might well depend on why the demand is zero - from how other trade actions work, I'd expect it to work in case 1 of my previous post but not in case 2.

My understanding was that if you mine in a fortified/stronghold system you can only sell to reinforcement systems within the sphere of influence of said fortified/stronghold system

Your mining options are:
- to Reinforce: mine in any friendly system, sell to the same system only
- to Undermine: mine in any unfriendly system, sell to the same system only
- to Acquire: mine in a friendly Fortified/Stronghold system, sell to any neutral system in sphere of influence

 

[Darrack]

Your mining options are:

• to Reinforce: mine in any friendly system, sell to the same system only
• to Undermine: mine in any unfriendly system, sell to the same system only
• to Acquire: mine in a friendly Fortified/Stronghold system, sell to any neutral system in sphere of influence

This is exactly it
If your just after Merits find a system within your power, mine and sell in the same system, station demand doesn't seem to make any difference, i sell mining ores/metals even if a station doesn't list it as a commodity.
For me mining and selling Plat is still the best just to grind merits or fortify a system - 256Ts gets me over 25K Merits per run (sold in one go).

O7

 

[Kailoren]

This is exactly it
If your just after Merits find a system within your power, mine and sell in the same system, station demand doesn't seem to make any difference, i sell mining ores/metals even if a station doesn't list it as a commodity.
For me mining and selling Plat is still the best just to grind merits or fortify a system - 256Ts gets me over 25K Merits per run (sold in one go).

O7

Been doing that since my last post in here, 402t of plat got me 67,624 merits for around 2hrs of work. Pretty easy going with a movie on the second monitor.

Thank you everyone for the help and advice! o7

 

[Zador]

I tried laser mining for merits for Nakato Kaine - no metallic rings in NK systems at all let alone ones with hotspots. Only Metal Rich which even in Platinun hotspots don't have platinum from laser mining. I guess I chose the wrong Power to support for this.

 

[Darrack]

I tried laser mining for merits for Nakato Kaine - no metallic rings in NK systems at all let alone ones with hotspots. Only Metal Rich which even in Platinun hotspots don't have platinum from laser mining. I guess I chose the wrong Power to support for this.

Have you tried any of these?

39.37	Delkar *	7 A Ring	Metallic	2	2,802	8.44013043
42.62	HIP 62118 *	A 2 A Ring	Metallic	3	1,887	8.71462209
51.41	Sapiety *	3 A Ring	Metallic	1	1,605	9.99518489

Im out of the bubble atm but these seem to be in NKs radius?

O7

 

[Zador]

I tried laser mining for merits for Nakato Kaine - no metallic rings in NK systems at all let alone ones with hotspots. Only Metal Rich which even in Platinun hotspots don't have platinum from laser mining. I guess I chose the wrong Power to support for this.

Have you tried any of these?

39.37	Delkar *	7 A Ring	Metallic	2	2,802	8.44013043
42.62	HIP 62118 *	A 2 A Ring	Metallic	3	1,887	8.71462209
51.41	Sapiety *	3 A Ring	Metallic	1	1,605	9.99518489

Im out of the bubble atm but these seem to be in NKs radius?

O7

Thanks I'll take a look. May have been my search criteria filtering some out, including requiring a Large pad and 2000Ls from star and price age < 1 day, will try removing some criteria.