President Hudson's ethos need to be changed

Hello Commanders
As a supporter of President Hudson I feel it is about time FDev fix the ethos of Hudson his strong against dose not fit what a Federation President should be it is costing us time and a lot of effort in fortification not being able to flip systems to the necessary Government that fit the federation. Please FDev take a look at it this can not be what you intended for Hudson to have.
 
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Hello Io_sys,

An in return Mahone is strong against Corporate and neutral to Democracy so finds it easy to exploit Fed space.
It is like they did it for a reason :)

Simon
This.

At the moment, he's strong against Patronage systems.
So in effect, we would have an easier time taking and holding imperial systems instead of Fed ones.
 
This.

At the moment, he's strong against Patronage systems.
So in effect, we would have an easier time taking and holding imperial systems instead of Fed ones.
Except since our HQ is, according to Sandro, in "highly desirable location" (as far away from those systems as it possible could be) that even if we could get them, we would get shafted by distance penalties.
 
Hello Commanders
As a supporter of President Hudson I feel it is about time FDev fix the ethos of Hudson his strong against dose not fit what a Federation President should be it is costing us time and a lot of effort in fortification not being able to flip systems to the necessary Government that fit the federation. Please FDev take a look at it this can not be what you intended for Hudson to have.

Theoretically I think it would make sense if each power had a 'preferred allegiance' ranking which was also included in the calculation of triggers and such. For Hudson maybe something like (from best for him, to worst): Federation/Independent/Empire/Alliiance.

There would then be some thought involved in whether to support minor factions or expand into systems that fitted a power's allegiance preferences or their ethos. Ideal would be ones that fitted both of course.

Disclaimer: I don't engage in powerplay myself as the mechanics and I don't get on.
 
Corporation and democracies

And why exactly should the Federation be predisposed to democracy? The Federation is not a democracy. It is an Empire. It rules with an iron boot encompassing every type of government from dictatorship to communist. There is absolutely nothing in this game to suggest that the Federation is in any way fair or righteous in any way. In fact, quite the contrary. It seeks to control and subject systems that desire independence.

The Federation lays claim to all systems and early colonisation of the inhabited galaxy. It is an Empire, pure and simple. It has a base of centralised control in the Sol system and dictates rules of existence to its former colonies and conquered worlds around it.

The 'Federation' is a classic example of how people see a word and look no further placing their concepts of its meaning upon it. Some pin concepts of Star Trek or the USA upon it for absence of any deep thought. The only thing Federal about the Federation is their concept of collective control.
 
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I totaly agree with this,

I and a handful support a Federation Corporation on the Fed/Indy/Alliance border, exploited now by Mahone.
Technically we help the power as Mahone is strong in control of Corporation, our allegiance does not count for the power CC calculation/fortification cost, or at least by reading. We do get smacked influence wise based on foritifcation/undermining for being the wrong allegiance though.

I would like to see Allegiance of exploited systems affecting the power, although to be fair as many reached their natural size under the old overhead calculation they had been turning their minds to flipping systems.

Simon

Theoretically I think it would make sense if each power had a 'preferred allegiance' ranking which was also included in the calculation of triggers and such. For Hudson maybe something like (from best for him, to worst): Federation/Independent/Empire/Alliiance.

There would then be some thought involved in whether to support minor factions or expand into systems that fitted a power's allegiance preferences or their ethos. Ideal would be ones that fitted both of course.

Disclaimer: I don't engage in powerplay myself as the mechanics and I don't get on.
 
The logic of Hudson as I understand it is that while most of the Federation planets are democratic and Hudson was elected in an election, Hudson's main supporters are Imperial slave worlds who will greet him as a liberator while actual Federation planets can't stand him even though they voted him into office, twice.

It's like how when George Bush was elected he abandoned the United States and got the people of North Korea to make him their leader by dropping pamphlets at them.
 
Hello Commanders
As a supporter of President Hudson I feel it is about time FDev fix the ethos of Hudson his strong against dose not fit what a Federation President should be it is costing us time and a lot of effort in fortification not being able to flip systems to the necessary Government that fit the federation. Please FDev take a look at it this can not be what you intended for Hudson to have.

Agreed. I posted this concern in the bug report section and received a response from Sandro: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=170461

Unfortunately it seems FD is not interested in making any changes at this time. While I see where Sandro is coming from with regards to Hudson being the "warhawk" arm of the Federation, and that this ethos might make sense for expansion and preparation purposes, the problem as I see it is the control ethos preference. From my response to the above-linked report:

"Humor me for a moment and consider the following hypothetical: Say for example, Hudson's interventionist ambitions of spreading Democracy and Free-Market Capitalism at the point of a laser cannon are successful, and he "liberates" a system from the Empire. Now let's say this system contains two minor factions currently engaged in a War/Civil War - one of them a Democratic Federation faction (yay!) and the other an Imperial Patronage (boo!) Which faction should Zachary Hudson, President of the Federation, favor in this scenario? Common-sense would say "the Federation, of course!" But if the faction wants to maximize their control system bonus potential, they would actually have to support the Imperial faction! Bottom line: it just seems a bit silly that it's easier for Hudson to fortify a hostile Empire-faction controlled system, or an independent Feudal Warlord, than a friendly Federation one."

It's also worth pointing out that the current ethos puts us at a significant disadvantage over our competitors, who's systems synnergize with their ethos much better than ours. Hudson's average fortification requirement is one of the highest (if not THE highest) of any faction as a result. This wasn't a big deal for the first couple of weeks, but the situation has become a lot more precarious since the fortification rate hike (and our gradually slipping rank position reflects this clearly). Worse, the scarcity of minor factions that synnergize with our ethos means that it's virtually impossible for us to remedy the situation within the constraints of the background system (ie: by flipping systems). Our only recourse seems to be to expand aggressively into Empire space... but then we open ourselves up to CC problems stemming from the large distance modifier (not to mention the stiff resistance we will inevitably encounter). So the result is that we are forced to spend more time and effort fortifying our systems than anyone else, while our enemies' resources are freed up to undermine our systems, worsening the situation even further.

So considering all this, I think the ideal solution would be to have one ethos for expansion/preparation, and another for control. In this case, keep the "Feudal/Patronage" preference for expansion/prep, and change the control ethos to "Democracy" and/or "Corporate". That way Hudson can be the conflict-stirring faction that was originally envisioned, without putting the faction at a competitive disadvantage or forcing faction members to make eyebrow-raising meta-game decisions (ie: supporting Feudal/Patron factions over Federation ones). Hudson players would then have an incentive to aggressively seize Feudal/Patronage systems by force, and then "flip" them to Democratic/Corporate control (ala: spreading democracy and free-enterprise) as I think was envisioned.

Other people have reported that some of the independent factions are having similar issues that might benefit from a similar change as well.
 
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Sandro posted on it - should be in one of the stickies - they think Hudson's ethos is correct at this time (and explains why).
 
Sandro posted on it - should be in one of the stickies - they think Hudson's ethos is correct at this time (and explains why).

I posted a link to Sandro's response, along with my response, in my previous comment (the one immediately preceding yours).
 
And now it becomes clear, when FD don't change this, that the federation are a D̶i̶c̶t̶a̶t̶o̶r̶s̶h̶i̶p̶ bunch of [ warmongering scum ] ;)
 
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I do understand how his Preparation and Expansion ethos (ethoses? Ethi?) are intended to gear him towards invading and conquering Imperial systems. However, I believe that his control ethos really should include at least one Federation government type (Corporation would fit his background nicely) in order to allow him to appropriately convert conquered systems to the Federation, instead of giving him an incentive to hand all his systems over to the Empire for governance.

If this would compromise his ability to invade effectively due to Control also being used for Undermining, perhaps those two actions should each have a different ethos? After all, I would see Undermining more as a form of Preparation than Control anyway. The point of undermining a system after all is to prepare it for invasion.

As amusing as it is to have a president whose platform is "Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women", it would be more practical if we actually could spread Gunboat Democracy instead.
 
I pledged to Hudson and I have always supported him (without a little break to ALD to test something). Now, with around 8 weeks of support, I wouldn't really say his ethos are the problem but more the incredibly disavantageous positioning in the galaxy. He is literally surround by a all powers. The federal space is a place for farming merits since it is more or less centered in the populated galaxy. Which is why undermining often reach the 400% and in some rare cases, around 1000%.

Instead of changing the ethos, I would suggest that combat ethos give more resistence against combat actions, which means undermining is only 50% effective for example.

Lore-wise, Hudson is a military supporter and what in the galaxy would better fit than a combat etho? I could imagine financial etho(s) but really, Hudson is a military supporter, one of the main reason why I pledged to him. No, I would highly depreciate a military supporter with a will for cultural influence.
 
This mechanic was recently described as "intended" by Sandro Sanmarco. Hudson's job is to act aggressively against the imperials. Not to manage vast swathes of Federation space. That is what the bureaucrats with Felicia Winters are for ;) Speaking as a Winterian bureaucrat, don't worry Hudsonians. We've got your back!
 
This mechanic was recently described as "intended" by Sandro Sanmarco. Hudson's job is to act aggressively against the imperials. Not to manage vast swathes of Federation space. That is what the bureaucrats with Felicia Winters are for ;) Speaking as a Winterian bureaucrat, don't worry Hudsonians. We've got your back!


I agree completely with regards to the preparation and expansion ethos - Hudson is basically “George W. Bush in Space” spreading Democracy and free-market capitalism through Shock and Awe. The problem is with the “control” ethos. If he’s really intended to be a militant pro-Federation faction, then it would make sense for him to be strong against attacking imperial systems (via Feudal/Patronage ethos) and then have an incentive to “flip” those systems (via Democracy/Corporate ethos). But that’s not the way they modeled it – instead the faction is encouraged to seize imperial systems, and then maintain the status quo. If the idea was for him to use the federation to seize control of the empire and crown himself emperor, then the current ethos might make sense. But there’s nothing indicating that that’s actually the case.
 
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