Problem Navigating Galaxy & System maps in VR

[SamZero]

Hi Hope there is a fix.

When using these maps,, it is almost imposible to select any any objects unless bookmarked or in the list of POI's, my solution ( Galaxy map) is to type in system name and bookmark it,
In the Sys map,, example.. whilst mining I wanted to select ringed gas giants to check info,,, Im unable to select,,, I try to reset view (HMD),, keep head still,, dont make a difference..

Is it me or is this common??? Love the game just wish I could use these as intended

Please help Cmdrs

 

[CptXabaras]

Bind your galaxy map control to your hotas, enable the grid and don't use the mouse. I got so used to it that I use it like this even the few time that I play without the rift

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Hi Hope there is a fix.

When using these maps,, it is almost imposible to select any any objects unless bookmarked or in the list of POI's, my solution ( Galaxy map) is to type in system name and bookmark it,
In the Sys map,, example.. whilst mining I wanted to select ringed gas giants to check info,,, Im unable to select,,, I try to reset view (HMD),, keep head still,, dont make a difference..

Is it me or is this common??? Love the game just wish I could use these as intended

Please help Cmdrs

Do not use your mouse. Bind it to your Hotas and enable the grid instead and it will become much easier.

 

[dogbite]

Bind your galaxy map control to your hotas, enable the grid and don't use the mouse. I got so used to it that I use it like this even the few time that I play without the rift

I use the mouse as I did before VR in both maps. The only thing I do differently is control the cursor movements with a hat on the back of my throttle (x and y axis in the galaxy map and screen position in the system map) I still use right MB to control z axis. Once zoomed in to correct range to acquire a lock on, a target star, planet or such, the hat is necessary to (with grid on in the GM) do the precision final poisoning over the target to achieve lock, click as before. I personally like this tandem camera control. I find it very fast and efficient and without issue in VR. ommv

 

[paulkemp]

Bind your galaxy map control to your hotas, enable the grid and don't use the mouse. I got so used to it that I use it like this even the few time that I play without the rift

I am struggeling big time with the maps and hptas as well. Can you screenshot how you have mapped it? Or binds would be super helpfull.

 

[Cliché]

As others have said, bind your hotas buttons to the map controls.

To use the galaxy map, first you need to tilt the plane so you can see the selection discs (they have lines attached to them and the star). Then you need a combination of moving the cursor around, side to side, forward and back, and up and down, and zoom in and out. The cursor should snap to the selection disc when you get close. Then you can select it, plot a route to it, or open its system map (bookmark, too, I think). Don't try selecting the star directly.

The system map is a lot easier - zoom out to move faster, then zoom back in for selection. As long as you cursor is centered over a planet, you should be able to select it (or bookmark it, too, I think).

I don't use bookmarks much, lol.

Anyway, if that's not working for you, I assume it is because the controls are not bound to your hotas keys. I haven't had any success using the mouse, but it appears that it can work if properly configured.

Good luck.

 

[Gunner Deckard]

I actually only use the mouse and keyboard only without any problem. Trick to select is to get the little circle on the star system you want and then move it off then back on and it will select the system for you. I never try and select with the mouse pointer.

 

[Derek Speare [VR]]

I had trouble until I got my controls bound onto my controllers properly. I use my CH Throttle in conjunction with the mouse. The thumbstick on the throttle moves the cursor in the X-Y plane on the Galmap and Mouse-right-click+drag moves the plane up or down on the Z plane. Mouse-left-click+drag changes the angle on the plane, and the mouse without buttons - just moving it - orbits the view about the cursor. The wheel zooms in and out. Mouse left click and drag in the Sysmap moves the cursor. The button on the throttle thumbstick selects the celestial object, though I don't really use it, preferring the mouse left-click.

I hope this makes sense! I was really frustrated with it too in VR until I revisited my bindings to sort it out. Once you have it setup properly, you'll forget all about it and it works like a champ.

 

[mindfaQ]

Hello guys, is the misalignment "normal" or is it bugging for me? (skewed menu, even when re-centered, the info box' pointer not showing at the right place at all, ...)
http://666kb.com/i/dgrgmph9398uriby8.jpg

. I use a Vive if that makes a difference. Mouse pointer also does not project correctly onto system and galaxy maps.

 

[Khaldur]

Hello guys, is the misalignment "normal" or is it bugging for me? (skewed menu, even when re-centered, the info box' pointer not showing at the right place at all, ...)
http://666kb.com/i/dgrgmph9398uriby8.jpg
I use a Vive if that makes a difference. Mouse pointer also does not project correctly onto system and galaxy maps.

A 2D mouse pointer is plain and simple the wrong tool to point on something in a 3D space while having binocular vision. Not because it's badly implemented in this game but because it's a 2D tool. It can only move on a 2D plane and if you want to select objects in a 3D space behind it or in front of it you will always have problems telling what you are selecting because of the parallax.
Put the mouse away (and move the mouse cursor out of sight so it can't interfere with anything on the map) and use your HOTAS/Joystick/Gamepad. Rotate the map vertically a bit so you can see the circular marker (the navigation plane must be enabled for this) and move that marker around with your joystick to select things.

Please search this subforum for a more detailed description on how to do that. Please excuse me, but there has been at least one thread every other week on this subforum where that question has been asked and answered by dozens of players so I've grown a bit tired of repeating that ad nauseam.

 

[mindfaQ]

A 2D mouse pointer is plain and simple the wrong tool to point on something in a 3D space while having binocular vision. Not because it's badly implemented in this game but because it's a 2D tool. It can only move on a 2D plane and if you want to select objects in a 3D space behind it or in front of it you will always have problems telling what you are selecting because of the parallax.
Put the mouse away (and move the mouse cursor out of sight so it can't interfere with anything on the map) and use your HOTAS/Joystick/Gamepad. Rotate the map vertically a bit so you can see the circular marker (the navigation plane must be enabled for this) and move that marker around with your joystick to select things.

Please search this subforum for a more detailed description on how to do that. Please excuse me, but there has been at least one thread every other week on this subforum where that question has been asked and answered by dozens of players so I've grown a bit tired of repeating that ad nauseam.

System map only has 2D movement.
Also in the year 2017 it should be possible to raytrace from HMD center through the mouse pointer on a canvas towards the 3D space to find out which object is being selected.
The GUI should be curved or angled to improve readability. Info panel should align correctly. Currently it's a pain. I was just wondering if it's the same for everyone or if it's bugged for me, because I'm honestly surprised something like this can stay in the game for so long. Guess VR is still too niche. Mouse is better/faster than a joystick / analog stick for moving across the galaxy map imo (similar to being faster in shooters).

I've tried looking for solutions, but there were none other than to use HOTAS which don't offer any improvement over mouse.

 

[Khaldur]

Also in the year 2017 it should be possible to raytrace from HMD center through the mouse pointer on a canvas towards the 3D space to find out which object is being selected.

That's actually exactly how objects are selected right now when you use the mouse pointer in the galaxy map. And as you noticed it's awfully unstable unless you make sure not to move your head at all while selecting. And then you'll still have a different perspective with each eye.

I've tried looking for solutions, but there were none other than to use HOTAS which don't offer any improvement over mouse.

Being able to precisely select objects in the galaxy and system maps IS an improvement over mouse in my book. You said yourself using the mouse isn't working well for you.

 

[mindfaQ]

That's actually exactly how objects are selected right now when you use the mouse pointer in the galaxy map. And as you noticed it's awfully unstable unless you make sure not to move your head at all while selecting. And then you'll still have a different perspective with each eye.

Being able to precisely select objects in the galaxy and system maps IS an improvement over mouse in my book. You said yourself using the mouse isn't working well for you.

From what I can see they use orthogonal projection onto the 3d space for selection and not something like raytracing like I've described, that's why it does not work in VR :/.

HOTAS does not give you a pointer either, so all you are doing is rotating and translating the galaxy map or system map and moving the selection circle with it. Which you can do with mouse and/or keyboard as well. There's no advantage there.

 

[Franc Kaos]

System map only has 2D movement.
The GUI should be curved or angled to improve readability. Info panel should align correctly. Currently it's a pain. I was just wondering if it's the same for everyone or if it's bugged for me, because I'm honestly surprised something like this can stay in the game for so long. Guess VR is still too niche. Mouse is better/faster than a joystick / analog stick for moving across the galaxy map imo (similar to being faster in shooters).
I've tried looking for solutions, but there were none other than to use HOTAS which don't offer any improvement over mouse.

Well said, this is the only thing I worry about Fdev, they are absolutely <expletive deleted> crap at going back and fixing issues. How hard would it be to make the mouse movement emulate the HOTAS movement, as in it moves (and jumps_to_closest_star) the caret rather than use the 2D cursor implementation.

The system map is indeed a 2D representation (with 3D planet models and awful asteroid bitmaps) so I don't even understand how the positioning of the cursor isn't absolutely on point.

And please, for the love of all that's holy, curve in the side panel on the galaxy map (and the commodity screen while we're at it), how long have these gone unfixed?

 

[dogbite]

Just program a pov hat or the keyboard or xbox controller for the small final x,y cursor movements when locking a target (either map). Otherwise the mouse can be used as it was in 2d with the same capabilities. I have travelled many 1000s of ly without issues in either map. It is a matter of accepting that unless and until the mouse is made to function in VR in this one area that we will need to rely on an alternate method of moving the cursor. A hat does this perfectly and the mouse still does all other map movements as it did before. Seems simple enough. I suspect for some change is difficult, though. Struggle on Commanders.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Bind up, down, left, right, forward, back and zoom to your controller of choice that isn't a mouse. Switch the grid on and control the reticule to click on the star points on the grid. It is really easy to use. I can't understand why people are finding it tough.

The mouse is not needed in any shape or form.

Look up some tutorials to see how to get it to work in VR.

 

[Nelina]

Hi Hope there is a fix.
When using these maps,, it is almost imposible to select any any objects unless bookmarked or in the list of POI's, my solution ( Galaxy map) is to type in system name and bookmark it,
In the Sys map,, example.. whilst mining I wanted to select ringed gas giants to check info,,, Im unable to select,,, I try to reset view (HMD),, keep head still,, dont make a difference..
Is it me or is this common??? Love the game just wish I could use these as intended
Please help Cmdrs

I had sometime the strange effect that i could'nt get the focus of Systems in the Galaxy-Map. (The Line and Dot under a System was not visible)
The only fix for me was to grap the mouse, rotate the view a bit and voila i could also get the focus with the Warthog. Once done this during a gaming session i could always get the focus without using the mouse.