Powerplay Faction: Aisling Duval [PSA] Afraid of the truth?

[silentthunder]

Censorship is the tool of those who have the need to hide actualities from themselves and from others. Their fear is only their inability to face what is real, and I can't vent any anger against them; I only feel this appalling sadness. Somewhere in their upbringing, they were shielded against the total facts of our existence.
- Charles Bukowski

Here is my post that has been attempted to be censored by the Aisling Leadership on various occasions:

Dear voice of aisling's angels (or whoever fears accountability)


Thank you for finally taking the last step in showing your true face and anti-imperial agenda. You have thwarted any chance at peace by your own doing and have cast yourselves into perpetual war at even more cost for Aisling, while we are busy fortifying Aisling's profitmakers in the area (anyone is welcome to come to our discord and have a look at our fortification screenshots). I guess if you actually cared about fortification triggers you could have picked any of the other dozens of "feudal" systems in Aisling space to do your little bgs work on, or at least fortify Yan Musu or HIP 77470 yourselves instead of relying on the fortifications of those you wage wars against.


Your true intentions are easily visible by the rhetoric you choose. But thank you for coining Jaaka the New Cubeo, as it shows that you have finally ceeded to the true Imperial Leadership that will push the Empire to the top through this coming millennia. Your construct of lies is nothing but a house of cards that will get blown away by your own toxic farts, when independent Aisling commanders realize that they have been lied to and exploited to wage a futile war against a small imperial playerfaction with nothing to gain other than wasting Aisling's manhours. Anyone opposing your opinions is met with toxicity, arrogance and hatred, quite unlike what Aisling should represent.


Lies have short legs and you are walking on stubbles at the moment. We've been waiting for 1.5 years to see how long it would take for you to shoot yourselves in the knee. Thank you for the bgs boost. I guess the salt mines of chona would have been in full production had we expanded Aisling to Jaaka ourselves.


But fear not, if you are an independent Aisling commander and imperial loyalist and seek truth over lies and war, we have a place for you too, our discord. Some of you might know that we provide a bgs tool to many imperial player factions that also tracks our paths and activities via journal upload in case you still need convincing that you've been lied to for a long time.


"Unfortunately no one opposed the expansion of Jaaka even though we asked for opposition assistance far and wide." *chuckle....

If you know yourself and you know your enemy, you need not fear the outcome of a thousand battles. We see right through you.


Silent Thunder - Protector of the Empire - Black Hand of Jaaka


We will free Aisling from the tyrannical oppressive rule of the current self-proclaimed leadership and bring prosperity to the Empire.

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www.ceddit.com/r/AislingDuval/comments/6ddayo/weekly_objectives_for_cycle_104/

Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself.
- Potter Stewart

 

[Maxmilian Czhilli]

I'm a new AD pledge and new to power play altogether. I freely admit I joined for access to the the princesses's fancy shields. But I like to role play my actions and am trying to do power play properly and learn how it works rather just grind merits in the most efficient way possible. I found the Aisling Trello and have been trying to use that as a guide. Saw something about the Black Hand being enemies but have no idea why.

So I'd welcome some background information on this dispute. Ideally some concise statements of the disputed facts rather than having to wade through links to various sources (though provide them as well if you like). Love to hear from both sides so that I can make up my own mind.

 

[JeffRyan]

There's the long version (here is where you'll find the true reason for the BH-AD war) and the short version. The short version is Black Hand couldn't play nice with others. A post shall shortly follow giving evidence of how the Angels and/or myself are leading Aisling badly despite the fact that Aisling is led by a general discussion between her members on the Slack where things are proposed and discussed in a group. And I don't lead Aisling anyway.

PS. On a personal note I'm embarassed the Jaaka expansion went through. I honestly thought it wouldn't.

 

[Astrelle]

Yup that's a good definition SilentThunder.
But what about this one ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation
It summarizes all your comments for months.

 

[Sorrell]

Hmmm, short version.....

Historically, some dispute about strategies in powerplay but that is way in the past. Though we still think it is suspect as highlighted by recent events.

Black Hand is an Imperial Feudal Minor Faction that WAS situated mostly outside Aisling Space. Since we formed, AD has expanded to HIP 77470 and now Jaaka meaning we are now pretty much in Aisling Space. If a Feudal faction covers more than 50% of an Aisling Control Sphere then it makes fortification harder, you need to haul more preps. Ergo, the Black Hand is terrible and must be eliminated from Aisling Space.

HIP 77470 was a negative CC system and now Jaaka is even more negative CC. (CC is supposed to be good for the power.....) So the only real conclusion was that to somehow spite the Black Hand, it has been engineered for Aisling to expand to our Home, Jaaka, negative CC for Aisling's economy and also is pretty much 100% Feudal. So I suppose to bring down the fortification trigger they will try and change the governments in the Jaaka sphere, or may be not, I haven't a clue to be honest.

Bottom line, unfortunately Aisling's economy is now worse and I presume lots of AD people (hopefully not all 700 on the slack!) are distracted supposedly 'containing' the Black Hand.

I think the Angels want to eliminate us completely, somehow. We just want them to leave us alone and go back to their powerplay stuff or what ever. Nothing we have done has impacted AD negatively. Only accusations that we may turn control spheres feudal, which we have not done and had no intention of doing so.

We are still bewildered at this Jaaka move as if we had done it, it would have been presented as evidence of another attack on Aisling.

 

[JeffRyan]

Hmmm, short version.....

Historically, some dispute about strategies in powerplay but that is way in the past. Though we still think it is suspect as highlighted by recent events.

Black Hand is an Imperial Feudal Minor Faction that WAS situated mostly outside Aisling Space. Since we formed, AD has expanded to HIP 77470 and now Jaaka meaning we are now pretty much in Aisling Space. If a Feudal faction covers more than 50% of an Aisling Control Sphere then it makes fortification harder, you need to haul more preps. Ergo, the Black Hand is terrible and must be eliminated from Aisling Space.

HIP 77470 was a negative CC system and now Jaaka is even more negative CC. (CC is supposed to be good for the power.....) So the only real conclusion was that to somehow spite the Black Hand, it has been engineered for Aisling to expand to our Home, Jaaka, negative CC for Aisling's economy and also is pretty much 100% Feudal. So I suppose to bring down the fortification trigger they will try and change the governments in the Jaaka sphere, or may be not, I haven't a clue to be honest.

Bottom line, unfortunately Aisling's economy is now worse and I presume lots of AD people (hopefully not all 700 on the slack!) are distracted supposedly 'containing' the Black Hand.

I think the Angels want to eliminate us completely, somehow. We just want them to leave us alone and go back to their powerplay stuff or what ever. Nothing we have done has impacted AD negatively. Only accusations that we may turn control spheres feudal, which we have not done and had no intention of doing so.

We are still bewildered at this Jaaka move as if we had done it, it would have been presented as evidence of another attack on Aisling.

They'd do themselves a massive favour if they let you handle their PR from now on and Silent stayed... Silent... you do a much better job of sounding reasonable.

 

[Cori]

I too would rather Jaaka hadn't gone through. Shows the danger of preparing things unless you really want them.

Sadly, preparing nothing just doesn't seem to be possible. Too many grinders.

If FD ever make the necessary changes to allow powers to prune themselves I am quite happy for Jaaka to be the first system dropped, even before Chnumar.

 

[JeffRyan]

I too would rather Jaaka hadn't gone through. Shows the danger of preparing things unless you really want them.

Sadly, preparing nothing just doesn't seem to be possible. Too many grinders.

If FD ever make the necessary changes to allow powers to prune themselves I am quite happy for Jaaka to be the first system dropped, even before Chnumar.

Likewise.

 

[PulsarShark]

Black Hand is an Imperial Feudal Minor Faction that WAS situated mostly outside Aisling Space.

Until they concentrated their expansions into Aisling space. They like to leave that part out, since there are only two conclusions to draw from it:
1) They were out to damage Aisling with their unfavorable minor faction type
2) They were too incompetent to control their own minor faction

 

[Maxmilian Czhilli]

Hmmm, short version.....

Historically, some dispute about strategies in powerplay but that is way in the past. Though we still think it is suspect as highlighted by recent events.

Black Hand is an Imperial Feudal Minor Faction that WAS situated mostly outside Aisling Space. Since we formed, AD has expanded to HIP 77470 and now Jaaka meaning we are now pretty much in Aisling Space. If a Feudal faction covers more than 50% of an Aisling Control Sphere then it makes fortification harder, you need to haul more preps. Ergo, the Black Hand is terrible and must be eliminated from Aisling Space.

HIP 77470 was a negative CC system and now Jaaka is even more negative CC. (CC is supposed to be good for the power.....) So the only real conclusion was that to somehow spite the Black Hand, it has been engineered for Aisling to expand to our Home, Jaaka, negative CC for Aisling's economy and also is pretty much 100% Feudal. So I suppose to bring down the fortification trigger they will try and change the governments in the Jaaka sphere, or may be not, I haven't a clue to be honest.

Bottom line, unfortunately Aisling's economy is now worse and I presume lots of AD people (hopefully not all 700 on the slack!) are distracted supposedly 'containing' the Black Hand.

I think the Angels want to eliminate us completely, somehow. We just want them to leave us alone and go back to their powerplay stuff or what ever. Nothing we have done has impacted AD negatively. Only accusations that we may turn control spheres feudal, which we have not done and had no intention of doing so.

We are still bewildered at this Jaaka move as if we had done it, it would have been presented as evidence of another attack on Aisling.

Thanks. Best explanation yet. I actually went to Jaaka on my first PP trip because I saw it on the top of a list in game. This was before I found the Trello. However, I managed to take the wrong stuff so nobody can blame me for the expansion!

This is my first time playing power play. I play as a freelancer / mercenary, but an honest one who upholds their end of the contract. While I am pledged to Aisling I will work to do my best for her and I am trying to work out how to do that. I'm not going to grind merits in systems where triggers have been met or do other unhelpful stuff - well I might try my hand at some undermining just for the experience.

I've moved my entire fleet of over-engineered cheap ships down to Cubeo as I have other things to do in this part of the bubble. Wanted to try Power Play for myself and see if it was as dead and dull as most of the forum say it is. So far I'm pleasantly surprised with the numbers and friendliness of the players I've met in Open. I'm even beginning to think I might stick around once I've got my grubby hands on the Prismatics. It's up to you established pledges to show me that it's worth getting more involved.

I'm not that interested in getting involved in an internal power squabble - unless it becomes fun.

I take it I should avoid doing stuff in Jaaka and HIP 77470. I've found the Trello pretty useful for a new power player, but I have no intention of killing on sight members of the Black Hand (and even if I was so inclined it would be embarrassing to try and ram them to death in the tanked up Type-7 I'm mostly using). I'd welcome further guidance on how to be an effective pledge and if the Black Hand has alternative strategies I'd like to consider them too. It is Aisling Duval I have pledged to, not other commanders, and I will make my own decision on how to best fulfil my pledge based on the best information I can get.

 

[JeffRyan]

I'm not that interested in getting involved in an internal power squabble - unless it becomes fun.

There isn't an internal power squabble. There was, briefly as Black Hand, then a member of the AD Community tried to usurp the direction and the leadership, but in reality it's a small faction vs the entire AD Community including the larger groups (Slack, Aisling's Angels and my own Prismatic Imperium). We dedicate so few players and resources to the 'war,' except in times when something has to be won then we do a rally as their resources (pulling in allies they've duped with posts like these), it's unbelievable. I spend more time replying to this sort of post than I do actually fighting the 'war'. So we can keep this up indefinitely.

But no, it's not fun, it's a little embarassing it's gone on so long (because whatever I say, it *looks* like internal power squabbles) and we have our actual fun doing other things (we're big roleplayers down in Cubeo and we have a lot of friends in the AD Community at large). And yeah, Jaaka, it was a joke that blew up in our faces, but we'll own it.

Whatever you decide to do, welcome to Aisling.

 

[Sorrell]

Good the war is not taking too much of your time, we in the Black Hand were hoping that Aisling wouldn't suffer too much from the diversion of your resources.

Yes, I agree it has become very embarrassing. See link below.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteAntal..._flipping_league_table_cycle_103_the_big_one/

Aisling has only 17% of her territory as favourable. There are lots of systems to go flip BGS in and help Aisling. ADs activities near us seem wasteful to say the least when you have the whole territory to cover. Especially as Antal has now got everything favourable and all forts are done over the weekend now?

I think there is still a lot of activity in Yan Musu but that looks safe, but I suppose you think we are planning some counter attack there.....

All in all, still looks like you are willing to risk Aisling's economy over some ancient vendetta. We will carry on fighting no doubt but please allow AD to develop and expand profitably. Lower your triggers so your masses are not doing mindless fortification week on week (Antal are really impressive). In the past, we would have helped you in our neighbouring areas but I think we've gone way past that now (this latest conflagration came about when we were accused of trying to flip Yan Musu and her control sphere).....however we won't hinder you, though maybe you should probably leave Jaaka alone. We are Empire after all and have no particular beef with Aisling, which is why we were worried about her economy on Jaaka, and obvious conclusion is that you were putting yourselves above Aisling (though we will admit to being slightly chuffed with the influence increase).

I know you have sold it to the rest we are against AD but all principal participants know the truth of the matter really.......not so?

 

[PulsarShark]

All in all, still looks like you are willing to risk Aisling's economy over some ancient vendetta.

The vendetta's yours. The record shows it. We have been perfectly happy to leave you alone, but you just come back and attack again in 6 months or less. Guess what? You finally convinced us... we should just stop leaving you alone.

 

[Danieros]

Flipping all Aisling Duval systems into Favorable governments isn't very feasible. Aisling's favorable governments are Communist, Cooperative and Confederacy and by nature they're either Federation or Independent. So doing a 100% flip would be effectively turning a third of the Empire PP territory into independent space.

 

[krylite]

Congrats to Aisling overall on finally ending the prepping farce of Yaque. In the end, why care so much about optimized profitibility as the defining factor of a galactic power as there is so far no ultimate cc endgame goal in pp, and Aisling does well enough in the relative power standings consistently with one of the highest numbers of player involvement. Aisling can also be served by ideological roleplay of changing hearts and minds to a better form of imperial life for its citizens and patriots of newly expanded systems.

 

[JeffRyan]

Congrats to Aisling overall on finally ending the prepping farce of Yaque. In the end, why care so much about optimized profitibility as the defining factor of a galactic power as there is so far no ultimate cc endgame goal in pp, and Aisling does well enough in the relative power standings consistently with one of the highest numbers of player involvement. Aisling can also be served by ideological roleplay of changing hearts and minds to a better form of imperial life for its citizens and patriots of newly expanded systems.

Thanks, we do try. It's one of the reasons Black Hand and their annoying propaganda is actually so hurtful. 18 months ago the AD Community was one of the most fractitious and argumentative communities in the game. Over the last year and a bit we've really come together to work together, the different groups and independent pilots. Black Hand is a /really/ small group, if they have 10 active players I'd be surprised, but because shouting louder gives them an advantage (and shouting harder with their gifted ability at name-calling) it looks like it's two equally sized groups fighting. In reality we have a playerbase of 300+ active players (if not more) vs a tiny handful of players who shout long and shout hard. Even this 'war' is something we actually dedicate very very few pilots to, no more than a handful ourselves. Even our BGS teams are more concerned with our 'home' territories. The war being way back on our priority lists (the dedicated AD BGS team rarely gets called up).

It's a shame. Black Hand aren't even 'bad players', they're just lead by a maniac.