Hardware & Technical PSA: HDMI audio is amazing

[babelfisch]

Sorry dude, you can start your own discussion on how to connect things from 50s and if they impact sound quality, this is about tech from 90s/00s, yes you are technically right people might still be using one wire per + and - to connect their retro speakers, but that is not what the discussion is about, so yeah, we're looking for people to share their experiences using normal (as in these days used) connections and noticing a huge disparity between spdif and hdmi



Can you connect your speakers just for a test to spdif and confirm that it sounds like crap?

Sorry but you are the one who started the discussion because you didn't understand that someone else was taking about + and - rather than left and right and you constantly said that what we were talking about wouldn't be possible until you finally realised that RCA isn't the only way to connect a speaker. If wouldn't have been so stubborn that you didn't understand how you got something wrong the entire discussion would've been pointless. And at the point where you should say "sorry, looks like I got that wrong!" You are arrogant enough to suggest that I am using some 50s tech when you don't even know what my home equipment looks like.

 

[szopin]

Sorry but you are the one who started the discussion because you didn't understand that someone else was taking about + and - rather than left and right and you constantly said that what we were talking about wouldn't be possible u til you finally realises that RCA isn't the only way to connect a speaker. If wouldn't have been so stubborn that you didn't understand how you got something wrong the entire discussion would've been pointless. And at the point where you should say "sorry, looks like I got that wrong!" You are arrogant enough to suggest that I am using some 50s tech when you don't even know what my home equipment looks like.

Yeah, sorry, but just go start your own discussion, you started with switching red and black wire, which is stereo, for your 50s tech it would be red and white, bye

 

[Phazon Xenomorph]

Despite this games lack of content, sound design is perhaps the biggest awe inspiring area. I use a pair of Sennheiser HD 598s through a dedicated soundcard (Sound Blaster Z, will upgrade eventually to the newer AE-5 though), and I gotta say, hearing everything is just amazing.

 

[babelfisch]

Yeah, sorry, but just go start your own discussion, you started with switching red and black wire, which is stereo, for your 50s tech it would be red and white, bye

No, I didn't. And no, I am not using 50s tech for my computer (even if there would be nothing wrong with it...).

 

[szopin]

No, I didn't.

ok:

Sorry but that's completely wrong. The red cable is + and the black cable is -. It has nothing to do with left or right, these are ...

Despite this games lack of content, sound design is perhaps the biggest awe inspiring area. I use a pair of Sennheiser HD 598s through a dedicated soundcard (Sound Blaster Z, will upgrade eventually to the newer AE-5 though), and I gotta say, hearing everything is just amazing.

What output are you using is the most important thing, because if SPDIF even with the most amazing soundcard you will still be missing on how awesome it can be

 

[babelfisch]

ok

You are the one who started the discussion when you claimed that it wouldn't be possible to twist + and - and insisted that it would just result in twisted left and right because you clearly didn't understand what the comment was about, which is what I pointed out. How can this be so hard to understand?!

 

[Aussiedroid]

I don't think I have ever seen a set of HDMI speakers outside of those built into a monitor. And they all sounded pretty average compared to SPDIF going into my DAC & analog speakers or headset.

I would have thought the signal being sent through HDMI and SPDIF are essentially the same digital signal, so its interesting to read of such a difference in quality. Can see why there would be such a difference. Great you have upgraded and getting better sound though.

 

[WR3ND]

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Can you connect your speakers just for a test to spdif and confirm that it sounds like crap?

Not directly apples to apples, since I don't have a standard two line digital out on my computer. And actually, now that I think about it, I don't think my video card supports surround sound, unlike my optical out.

If you're hearing a significant difference, its likely something more specific to your gear, but I couldn't say for sure.

 

[szopin]

You are the one who started the discussion when you claimed that it wouldn't be possible to twist + and - and insisted that it would just result in twisted left and right because you clearly didn't understand what the comment was about, which is what I pointed out. How can this be so hard to understand?!

Yes, there is literally no one who would understand how twisting a cable will impact audio quality in digital age, you can go back to explaining how 2 cables used to be four and you don't need a gyroscope to notice that someone twisted a cable, or just accept that noone in this day and age will accidentally connect inside of a cable with an outside without being some huge DIY failure who manages to mistake + and - while doing their own cables, again suggest starting your own thread about such mishaps

 

[szopin]

I don't think I have ever seen a set of HDMI speakers outside of those built into a monitor. And they all sounded pretty average compared to SPDIF going into my DAC & analog speakers or headset.

I would have thought the signal being sent through HDMI and SPDIF are essentially the same digital signal, so its interesting to read of such a difference in quality. Can see why there would be such a difference. Great you have upgraded and getting better sound though.

Yeah, i assumed I was high/drunk the first time I heard it, but then got the same on the next day super sober, then googled and all I could find was that one quote that was already quoted in this thread twice, just crazy

Not directly apples to apples, since I don't have a standard two line digital out on my computer. And actually, now that I think about it, I don't think my video card supports surround sound, unlike my optical out.

If you're hearing a significant difference, its likely something more specific to your gear, but I couldn't say for sure.

The thing is, there is nothing special, it's a VR ready laptop, not even enough USB ports for oculus lol.

 

[babelfisch]

Yes, there is literally no one who would understand how twisting a cable will impact audio quality in digital age, you can go back to explaining how 2 cables used to be four and you don't need a gyroscope to notice that someone twisted a cable, or just accept that noone in this day and age will accidentally connect inside of a cable with an outside without being some huge DIY failure who manages to mistake + and - while doing their own cables, again suggest starting your own thread about such mishaps

But the comment wasn't about the "digital age" but a general comment about speakers. And I wasn't even the one who made it, I just pointed out that you did in fact understood him wrong.

 

[szopin]

But the comment wasn't about the "digital age" but a general comment about speakers. And I wasn't even the one who made it, I just pointed out that you did in fact understood him wrong.

All great info, but for a different thread? Seriously, you're not adding to this one anything significant

 

[szopin]

Oh wow, we're off topic, apparently talking about ED performance on HW terms is not related to Elite Dangerous, do threads about ED not working in specific resolution end up here too???

 

[WR3ND]

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The thing is, there is nothing special, it's a VR ready laptop, not even enough USB ports for oculus lol.

Even on the chip and circuit bored side of things there can be a significant difference between the same kind of outputs, so it'd be tough to say definitively where the differences are. In general though, yeah, HDMI audio is pretty great.

Cheers.

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

Different but related question.. could this be an issue for audio sent over USB2?

Im running the sennheiser gaming headphones, and im convinced that using stereo mode with the software DTX built into elite produces far better results than the dolby headphone supplied for the dongle.. which sets 5.1 or 7.1 audio in windows. If someone asked me if the hardware version sounded "compressed" id definitely agree.

Been trying to tweak these headphones for a while now. A system wide eq like i have on osx might help.

 

[szopin]

Different but related question.. could this be an issue for audio sent over USB2?

Im running the sennheiser gaming headphones, and im convinced that using stereo mode with the software DTX built into elite produces far better results than the dolby headphone supplied for the dongle.. which sets 5.1 or 7.1 audio in windows. If someone asked me if the hardware version sounded "compressed" id definitely agree.

Been trying to tweak these headphones for a while now. A system wide eq like i have on osx might help.

This is a whole other bag of pandora boxes, if they cannot use proper/actual sound enhancements through spdif, then you should be good relying on your headphones dolby etc, but if it is just speakers connecting to spdif, you're out of luck. You could be fine using as I originally hdmi->VGA+sound, as then you get hdmi (surround and all), but that adapter alone is 30-40 bucks and who knows if at all noticeable with headphones

Edit: then again, as any and all discussion that is not cherishing FD great accomplishments in terms of technology and we should not speak about limitations coming from frontier,we might never learn, lets move all discussion that touches on the topic of tech that FD still needs to fix to off-topic, how could we discuss ED with that negative slant

 

[babelfisch]

All great info, but for a different thread? Seriously, you're not adding to this one anything significant

I'll try it one last time:

Lightspeed shared an interesting fact about what happens when you connect speakers the wrong way, which was indeed slightly off topic but he used it as an example to show how sound experience can differ in general when things aren't ideal. It was just an interesting anecdote. You misunderstood him and thought he was talking about twisting right and left channel when he was in fact talking about twisting plus and minus. You are right that this cannot happen when using RCA connectors, but since it was a general statement about speakers it doesn't really matter. I told you that you are misunderstanding us several times but you insisted that what we are describing wouldn't exist. The whole discussion would've been unnecessary if you would've just believed me that you misunderstood something which was the very first thing I told you. When you finally realised that we were indeed talking about different things you started making fun about my Hifi equipment without even knowing which types of hardware and connectors I use at home. I assure you, the only thing that is funny about it are the ridiculous amounts of money I spend on it and it's far from '50s tech' as you claimed. And when I told you that you are wrong about that as well you started to tell me how I would draw the thread off topic which is quite funny if you consider that you spend a lot of time telling me how I would be wrong. If you don't want the thread to go off topic you could've just accepted that you didn't understand what we talked about rather than telling us how we don't know anything about speakers. I have to say that your attitude was rather annoying and I hope that you just had a bad day.