Uhm, there are Grizzly Bears AND Brown Bears in this game... Much to my displeasure.
Puma vs Florida Panther?
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In my mind, pumas aka cougars aka florida panthers are all the same thing. Florida panther is a name given to a specific subpopulation living in Florida, right?
Anyway, I think there's no doubt the species will be added in a North America pack as a flagship species. As for the name, I'd prefer Cougar. It sounds ominous.
Anyway, I think there's no doubt the species will be added in a North America pack as a flagship species. As for the name, I'd prefer Cougar. It sounds ominous.
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I would prefer south american subspecies
Yes the himalayan brown bear which is a subspecies of brown bear just like the grizzly. My point was that I wanted just a general brown bear (Ursus arctos). That way it would only take one roster slot and we would technically have all subspecies of the brown bear.
I would just prefer the Grizzly Bear, I wished we got the following bears:
Grizzly Bear / Polar Bear / Giant Panda / Spectacled Bear / American Black Bear / Sun Bear, and maybe the Sloth Bear.
That would be perfect, I'm sorry for the fans but Brown Bears (any), Kodiak Bears and Formosan BLack Bears are not my cup of tea. NOW, I fear we get a American Black Bear because so many people want it, but we already have the Formosan one, so I don't want the American one anymore.
Spectacled Bear is another story, it's the only bear from South America, it looks increadible cool with it's markings and they are my favorite bears in the world next to Sun Bears.
Why go for a specific subspecies only for the brown bear? When every other bear you listed is just the general species. Again grizzly bears are not their separate species. They are a subspecies of the brown bear. Just have a general brown bear Ursus arctos, that would include the grizzly aswell as the eurasian, kodiak etc. Otherwise that's a good list.
Because Grizzly Bear sounds awesome, Brown Bear sounds boring.
Probably because when people think "bear that is brown" they think Grizzly Bear.
Back on topic: the visual distinctions between the cougar subspecies doesn't seem too different, so going with a generalized Puma would probably make the most sense.
Yea Americans do atleast but there are people outside of America. People think about the animals they are familiar with. For most Europeans its the Eurasian brown bear. In Asia there is the Himalayn brown bear, Ussuri brown bear, Syrian brown bear, Gobi bear, Tibetan blue bear and Kamchatkan brown bear.
Interstingly in finnish grizzly bear is called harmaa karhu which translates to grey bear.
North American cougar. This is the subspecies which includes the Florida panther subpopulation.
I'm still annoyed we got two subpopulations of the same tiger subspecies instead of one of each subspecies (P. tigris tigris includes the Bengal, Siberian, and all mainland Asian tigers, and P. tigris sondaica includes the Sumatran and the extinct Bali and Javan tigers). They should have given us the Siberian and the Sumatran - the largest of the mainland subspecies with the unique tiger biome, and the smallest of the Sunda subspecies with the classic tropical biome and the huge focus in real world conservation.
So it has to be the general North American cougar subspecies for me. I can appreciate the desire to focus on the single subpopulation in Florida, but IMO it is very restrictive in terms of biome and I'd rather this game didn't go too hard on the Zoo Tycoon nostalgia.
I'm still annoyed we got two subpopulations of the same tiger subspecies instead of one of each subspecies (P. tigris tigris includes the Bengal, Siberian, and all mainland Asian tigers, and P. tigris sondaica includes the Sumatran and the extinct Bali and Javan tigers). They should have given us the Siberian and the Sumatran - the largest of the mainland subspecies with the unique tiger biome, and the smallest of the Sunda subspecies with the classic tropical biome and the huge focus in real world conservation.
So it has to be the general North American cougar subspecies for me. I can appreciate the desire to focus on the single subpopulation in Florida, but IMO it is very restrictive in terms of biome and I'd rather this game didn't go too hard on the Zoo Tycoon nostalgia.
I'd prefer just the general species as it covers both Americas, giving more use to it for different zoos. Specifying is fine sometimes, but other times it makes an animal a bit too restrictive in what you can realistically use them for.
Well, actually the word "grizzly" in English already means "greyish". So we have the "Eurasian brown bear" and the "greyish brown bear", which are both brown bears.
Didn't the changes to tiger classification happen after they made the game? In which case they did give us two tiger subspecies... when they were considered subspecies...
The revision of tiger subspecies occurred in 2015, and the two subspecies approach was accepted by the Cat Classification Task Force of the IUCN Cat Specialist Group in 2017. Planet Zoo came out in 2019.
EDIT: In regards to the topic at hand, I echo statements here of just preferring a general Puma concolor rather than any specific subpopulation. However, if we absolutely have to slap a subspecies on it, I would prefer the North American subspecies simply because we already have the Jaguar as a mostly South American big cat and it seems only fair that North America gets the Puma.
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Because grizzly is an old term that means "streaked with grey"
EDIT: I just now noticed @Aramar post
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Just call it a cougar, not a Lion therefore don’t call it a Lion.
Personally I like Catamount. I live in Vermont and there are often reports of sightings of the catamounts. Despite being declared extinct and no tagged cats, it’s been a hopeful and fun thought here in Vermont.
I’d like it if they can give the animals biome types to match any population in the Americas.
Personally I like Catamount. I live in Vermont and there are often reports of sightings of the catamounts. Despite being declared extinct and no tagged cats, it’s been a hopeful and fun thought here in Vermont.
I’d like it if they can give the animals biome types to match any population in the Americas.
As far as naming goes, I agree that "cougar" seems to be the most widely used and recognized name, so it's the one that should be used in game. The various other names could make for some solid Zoopedia trivia, though. Here in South Carolina I still occasionally hear about sightings in the more rural areas, often enough for me to err on the side of "where there's smoke, there's fire" despite the species supposedly being extirpated here, and without fail people call them "panthers".
As far as species vs. subspecies/subpopulation, I'm always going to prefer having the all-encompassing species. The Formosan black bear is a prime example of fixating on a seemingly arbitrary subspecies when just having the broader Asiatic black bear label would've allowed for more played creativity... to say nothing of our brown bear, lion, and tiger taxonomical situations. I'm glad they at least broadened the dhole and babirusa in the final release.
As far as species vs. subspecies/subpopulation, I'm always going to prefer having the all-encompassing species. The Formosan black bear is a prime example of fixating on a seemingly arbitrary subspecies when just having the broader Asiatic black bear label would've allowed for more played creativity... to say nothing of our brown bear, lion, and tiger taxonomical situations. I'm glad they at least broadened the dhole and babirusa in the final release.