Python or Fer de Lance
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Say that to all the female gamers out there
.Anyways, if you want to actually interdict and kill someone that moves faster than a T7, fer-de-lance is your ship. Other than that, python is superior so long as you can afford it. An upgraded python is more than double the cost of an upgraded fer-de-lance. Also, if you have a friend in a faster and more nimble ship you want to PvP with, then grab the python.
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Edit* and I think I may have misread the question, was just assuming it was another, which ship to buy next thread. Currently there is no purpose to multi-crewed ships in the game yet, so it doesn't matter.
I am hoping that multi-crewed ships can one day be piloted by more than one player, so for instance, a second player can manually control turrets, as right now they are useless, manually controlled turrets would justify their huge price tag.
Saying this though, one person can manually control turrets while flying a ship, but it would require more than the dual axis degress of freedom that the mouse provides, and so the game may be more strict on the I/O hardware then it currently is. You could achieve this with a keyboard and mouse with a gamepad like the Tartarus, and if you have a head tracker, you have 6 axis you can map, but you will have to spend almost $1000 for this.
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The Fer de Lance cockpit feels awkward just from watching the vids. I'm pretty confident it'll never have a place in my garage. Which, btw, revolves around the Python
The Fer de Lance cockpit feels awkward just from watching the vids. I'm pretty confident it'll never have a place in my garage. Which, btw, revolves around the Python
yea i feel the same, i just can't stand that metal bar that is in the middle of the FDL cockpit.
and having a nice cockpit is the most important thing for me, after all that is what you are going to end up watching all day flying it.
real shame, otherwise i would really want to fly it.
If you put all the shield boosters you need to get the FDL shields up as high as you quote, will you have power left to take advantage of the hardpoints?
You would, imagine, be limited to kinetic weapons, and even still probably have do do some nifty power management - unless you sacrifice manoeuvrability by seriously downgrading thrusters.
I think that is the other amazing benefit of the Python 30MW of power (if you can afford it)
I spent several hours trying to force myself to like the Fer de Lance, but ultimately it just annoyed me. I tried fixed beams, fixed pulses, the huge cannon and the huge PA.... The huge cannon just never lands any hits, and you really need to sacrifice either your weapons load out or shield boosters in order to power the huge PA. One load out I sort of enjoyed was a large fixed beam in the huge spot, with 4 pulse lasers. That wasn't terrible I guess. If I had to pick between that or the Python, then Python all the way.
Precisely. Many a time have my index finger hovered above the purchase button
But it always ends with the picture of that horrible cockpit. Mad as it sounds, it is a show-stopper..
Well, using numbers like this is meaningless, but if we must:
Sure, the Fer De Lance can have 1045.22MJ, but doing so will mean that when the shield boosters are active, the FDL will have no teeth, 5 pulse lasers at best. Secondly, you will only get 1 cycle of usage out of those boosters, the FDL's internal compartments are not enough to be able to refill 1045.22MJ with shield cell banks. So after the first cycle, you may as well turn of those boosters so you can have your CSB active without re-tracting your hardpoints to use them. A python can have triple boosted shields, decent firepower and fully recharge the shields and boosters about 10 times, the Pythons shields are so much better is not even funny.
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Where did you get the 2.5 factor for a huge hardpoint over a large hardpoint? The only way that this could be true is on a ship where a large hardpoint has a penalty. As far as I know, large hardpoints do not suffer a damage penalty against any ship, so the damage difference between a large and huge plasma or cannon is no way 2.5. This might be true on a capital ship, but since players cannot fly those....
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Maybe the Anaconda is classed as a 'huge' ship, and so large hardpoints have a 1/3 damage reduction penalty, but I have never seen this stated anywhere.
I've never flown the FDL so I can't be certain here, I know it is faster than the Python and has amazing masslock properties,
but your initial statement about the FDL's shields and Huge hardpoint are moot, the FDL can not live upto it's potential due to power issues -s as demonstrated by your build - which only has slightly more shields than Python and cant take advantage of the Huge hardpoint, you have large pulse on there - which negates your benefit of having 2.5 times the firepower of a large hardpoint - so your build lives up to neither of the benefits you mentioned.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=140240
These guys figured out the actual DPS for all the various weapons against shields, though haven't figured out hull damage yet. In my experience it would be hard to figure out anyway, as different parts of the hull seem to take damage more easily than others.
The Python has the better power distributor, and unless you can actually make use of that huge hard point, it has better weapon capability. the Fer de Lance has slightly better maneuverability, but once you get a large target's shields down, it feels like it takes forever to chew through its hull with medium weapons unless you use medium cannons.
if all you want is combat, I think a Vulture is far superior.
These guys figured out the actual DPS for all the various weapons against shields, though haven't figured out hull damage yet. In my experience it would be hard to figure out anyway, as different parts of the hull seem to take damage more easily than others.
The Python has the better power distributor, and unless you can actually make use of that huge hard point, it has better weapon capability. the Fer de Lance has slightly better maneuverability, but once you get a large target's shields down, it feels like it takes forever to chew through its hull with medium weapons unless you use medium cannons.
if all you want is combat, I think a Vulture is far superior.
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What Persophonius said
I haven't heard about this either - I thought penalties only effected small and medium
It is hard to gauge these things really until you actually try them. There are videos of Pythons being killed by Vipers, Asps and Cobras in PvP. The Fer-De-Lance is a nice sized target for a python though, it is not that much smaller then the python. With a FDL vs Python, I think the numbers don't mean much, it will be more down to pilot skill.
Not really. In order to have dual boosters in FDL you have to downsize the shield buffer considerably. Probably somewhere around 550-700mj, depending on the weapon setup. If you go nuts with shield boosters, you end up with less effective shield strength since shield cell banks provide a lot of that when fired at stack of 2 or even 3 (which Python can do quite easily). If you want to play with stuff like Class 4 plasma, prepare to grind your teeth as you try to sort out just how in the heck am I going to have everything in this bucket that I need and still fight.
As for the weapon damage, here is a thread where weapons were tested against shield (armor figures not available at this date). https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=140240
Difference between C3 and C4 plasma accelerator in damage output per second is about 82 / 100 in ratio. Around 20% roughly. Alpha damage is at ratio 75 / 100, advantage to class 4. Same ratios should logically also apply to hull damage, since as far as we know there are no ships that penalize class 3 weapon damage in game as of yet. It´s nothing even close to 2.5 x damage.
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