Python's bulkhead upgrade imbalance...

Gemat · Mar 7, 2015

I used military class bulkheads in the Cobra and the Asp that I owned some time ago. They served really well. I was able to live to fight another day againgst large ships because my hull took the damage long enough for me to flee!

Now I have a Python. Military Class bulkheads cost 50.000.000 credits!!! I started trading to make 50m to buy those bulkheads...
Then I made the math...

10% damage on the Python's hull cost around 200.000 credits.
Typically, when my shields fail I run!
Even the best armed ship cannot hurt a fleeing Python more than 20-30%, even 50% for the arguments sake...
Fleeing with a 50% damaged Python is something that does not happen very often.
50% hull damage would be 25% with military bulkheads.
In the case above the repair cost is 1.000.000 (light alloy) or 500.000 credits(military).

So, bulkheads start saving you credits after you flee 100 times with 25% damage!

Plus, the insurance is 2.500.00 more credits with the military class bulkheads, so a stupid boost against something solid will cost 2,5m more because of them....

Speaking of game imbalance. Python's buklheads are insanely expensive!

Von Shadow · Mar 7, 2015

Plus iirc the damage costs are being dramaically reduced in 1.2 .... someone posted that a previous approx 300k repair in 1.2 cost around 10% of that (30k)
So maths could be even further out then

Gemat · Mar 7, 2015

Highlightshadow said:
Plus iirc the damage costs are being dramaically reduced in 1.2 .... someone posted that a previous approx 300k repair in 1.2 cost around 10% of that (30k)
So maths could be even further out then

That would be a change to the right direction.

I think 10M would be the right price for the military bulkheads... (or the 10% of the total value of the ship. A good equipped Python costs 120M)

Hawkmoon · Mar 7, 2015

For me it is more a case of the rare occasion that you get taken down below 30% with military grade bulkheads , if you had regular ones you would be dead but with military grade ones you will survive.

Eagle Eye · Mar 7, 2015

Put it this way. The armor does zip toward protecting your drives or any subsystems. An encounter with a player that knows their game with you in a Clipper/Python/Anaconda or any other ship with strong hull will end with your drives disabled if you let your shields down. So running when you still have 1 ring of shield + a couple of batteries is the best course of action (unless you're winning). Armor is there on my ships because the selling price is the same as buying, so it's nice to have them while they're in dock, when I am actually using them I most likely just go without them.

Gemat · Mar 7, 2015

Hawkmoon said:
For me it is more a case of the rare occasion that you get taken down below 30% with military grade bulkheads , if you had regular ones you would be dead but with military grade ones you will survive.

Military bulkheads take 50% of the damage, so 30% with those would be 60% with light alloy.

Even in case of death, 50m covers 8 times the insurance of a 120M Python.....

Don_Von_Hulio · Mar 7, 2015

The cost should only be expensive if you blow up. High repair costs were too restrictive to begin with.

Zplintz · Mar 7, 2015

Also your argument is based purely on the cost effectiveness of running and repair.

If you do not want to run but fight it out (and cost isn't a concern) having twice as much hull will make quite a difference to you (and to the craft you might be protecting).

Hitsuke · Mar 7, 2015

Bulkhead prices should be reduced across the board. It usually works out that Military grade cost roughly the same as your ship... which I've always found a bit stupid.

Gemat · Mar 7, 2015

Zplintz said:
Also your argument is based purely on the cost effectiveness of running and repair.

If you do not want to run but fight it out (and cost isn't a concern) having twice as much hull will make quite a difference to you (and to the craft you might be protecting).

True, but until now there is no such scenario. From my experience with E

, the dogfight ends when you loose shields. An NPC may fight to the end, but this does not make ANY sense for a real player....

Hiten Bongz · Mar 8, 2015

Hitsuke said:
Bulkhead prices should be reduced across the board. It usually works out that Military grade cost roughly the same as your ship... which I've always found a bit stupid.

Yeah I agree, that's really stupid. BH prices need to come way down to really be any incentive considering Sub-System targeting, anyways.

fademist · Mar 8, 2015

Gemat said:
I used military class bulkheads in the Cobra and the Asp that I owned some time ago. They served really well. I was able to live to fight another day againgst large ships because my hull took the damage long enough for me to flee!

Now I have a Python. Military Class bulkheads cost 50.000.000 credits!!! I started trading to make 50m to buy those bulkheads...
Then I made the math...

10% damage on the Python's hull cost around 200.000 credits.
Typically, when my shields fail I run!
Even the best armed ship cannot hurt a fleeing Python more than 20-30%, even 50% for the arguments sake...
Fleeing with a 50% damaged Python is something that does not happen very often.
50% hull damage would be 25% with military bulkheads.
In the case above the repair cost is 1.000.000 (light alloy) or 500.000 credits(military).

So, bulkheads start saving you credits after you flee 100 times with 25% damage!

Plus, the insurance is 2.500.00 more credits with the military class bulkheads, so a stupid boost against something solid will cost 2,5m more because of them....

Speaking of game imbalance. Python's buklheads are insanely expensive!

check conda bulkheads then