Severity
Moderate
Frequency
All of the time (100%)
Time of occurrence
19:00 CST
Date of occurrence
09/10/2017
Location
Kamadhenu
Ship/SRV?
Ship
Ship Type
Python
Description
Can only choose one Bug Report location, so chose XBox which I play on, but this applies to all platforms i believe (see forum discussion links included below).
I submitted to an interdiction by an NPC Python while in my new Type-9 Heavy carrying 496T cargo and was mass locked, preventing a low wake.
Doing some research, I find that the Python has around a third of the hull mass as a Type-9 Heavy. Using coriolis.edcd.io to outfit a reasonable educated guess as to the module loadout of the NPC Python and the known module loadout of my Type-9 Heavy, including cargo, the Python is still lighter. Thus, the MLF rating of the Python being higher than a Type-9 Heavy is incorrect.
Links of forum discussions regarding the Python's MLF (to support Severity rating of this Bug Report by showing it affects many players' gameplay but with a work around, such as a high wake):
* From May/2015 (about 29 months ago) and includes replies by Frontier Designer Mike Evans: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/149343-Mass-Lock-Changes
~~ Noteworthy of FDev replies:
~actual mass, not hull mass determines MLF (shouldn't it be max mass if heaviest modules were outfitted rather than actual? see next reply)
~"Mass isn't taken into account so as a result there has to be a baked value for mass lock that falls somewhere so it's based on the typical mass of a kitted out ship." and "It's a rough guide, not a strict rule." These 2 statements nullify Mike's initial reply that MLF is based on actual mass.
* From June/2017: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/359151-Comprehensive-and-meaningful-Mass-Lock-Factors
* From August/2017: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/370389-So-how-is-it-that-a-conda-mass-locks-a-type-9
* 2 from September/2017:
-- https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...AL-New-Masslock-Scale-And-or-Masslock-renewal
-- https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/375209-Mass-locking-jumping-vs-supercruise
Steps to Reproduce
1. Fly a Type-9 Heavy.
2. Get into the same normal space instance as a Python within 5.0km (roughly).
Python mass locks Type-9 Heavy. Supported by the current MLF numbers but the arbitrary MLF for the Python needs to be reduced to match its size and potential total mass compared to the same potential total mass of other ships.
Moderate
Frequency
All of the time (100%)
Time of occurrence
19:00 CST
Date of occurrence
09/10/2017
Location
Kamadhenu
Ship/SRV?
Ship
Ship Type
Python
Description
Can only choose one Bug Report location, so chose XBox which I play on, but this applies to all platforms i believe (see forum discussion links included below).
I submitted to an interdiction by an NPC Python while in my new Type-9 Heavy carrying 496T cargo and was mass locked, preventing a low wake.
Doing some research, I find that the Python has around a third of the hull mass as a Type-9 Heavy. Using coriolis.edcd.io to outfit a reasonable educated guess as to the module loadout of the NPC Python and the known module loadout of my Type-9 Heavy, including cargo, the Python is still lighter. Thus, the MLF rating of the Python being higher than a Type-9 Heavy is incorrect.
Links of forum discussions regarding the Python's MLF (to support Severity rating of this Bug Report by showing it affects many players' gameplay but with a work around, such as a high wake):
* From May/2015 (about 29 months ago) and includes replies by Frontier Designer Mike Evans: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/149343-Mass-Lock-Changes
~~ Noteworthy of FDev replies:
~actual mass, not hull mass determines MLF (shouldn't it be max mass if heaviest modules were outfitted rather than actual? see next reply)
~"Mass isn't taken into account so as a result there has to be a baked value for mass lock that falls somewhere so it's based on the typical mass of a kitted out ship." and "It's a rough guide, not a strict rule." These 2 statements nullify Mike's initial reply that MLF is based on actual mass.
* From June/2017: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/359151-Comprehensive-and-meaningful-Mass-Lock-Factors
* From August/2017: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/370389-So-how-is-it-that-a-conda-mass-locks-a-type-9
* 2 from September/2017:
-- https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...AL-New-Masslock-Scale-And-or-Masslock-renewal
-- https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/375209-Mass-locking-jumping-vs-supercruise
Steps to Reproduce
1. Fly a Type-9 Heavy.
2. Get into the same normal space instance as a Python within 5.0km (roughly).
Python mass locks Type-9 Heavy. Supported by the current MLF numbers but the arbitrary MLF for the Python needs to be reduced to match its size and potential total mass compared to the same potential total mass of other ships.
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