Question about discovery data in Beyond

[Rudal]

Hello commanders. o7

Now when we have beta for Ch4 just behind the corner I started reading about some of the updates coming in to exploration...
There is some stuff about new scanners and that commanders won't have to return to the Bubble to "exchange" them and that all what has been discovered so far will stay as it is (First Discovered tags) and so on...

Some 3 months ago I decided to finally make my way to the centre of the galaxy (for the 3rd time ). I only got as far as 9k LY (I know...) from Sol but I take my time to scan all the undiscovered systems I come across.

Now... What will happen with all my data for what I already discovered after Ch4 hits the live servers?

I'm not coming back! Took me 3 months to fly those 9k LY and I really want to make it to the galactic core this time...
Am I going to loose all the data or will it be like I just "honked" in the system and carried on?
I did scan a lot of planets with detailed surface scanner to scrape as much credits as I can.
I'm a bit worried it'll be all for naught...

 

[phong]

The data isn't viable until you hand it in.If someone hands it in before you do,you wont get first discovery.At 9 kly,i would think the chances of that happening are pretty small.But you knew that,right?

 

[akaliel]

The data isn't viable until you hand it in.If someone hands it in before you do,you wont get first discovery.But you knew that,right?

I think he's worried that Chapter 4 will reset first scans if you don't hand them in before Chapter 4 hits, unless I'm reading that wrong. Sorry OP, I'm not sure. You might need to race back and sell. Hopefully we'll find out on Thursday during the live steam.

 

[Rudal]

@phong I'm aware of that yes and I had "First Discovered" tags from system less than 3k in the past so I'm not too worried.

@akaliel Yes, that's what I'm thinking about. That after the update all my data will be treated as I would just do the initial scan and not the planet surface scan.

Well... My plan is to fly around the galactic core and come back. If I'll loose this 9K LY I'll just have to ctach up on my way back.

 

[Rustnsawdust]

FD have explicitly designed the new scanners so that you don't need to return to the bubble. I can't see any way they'd require you to return to the bubble to sell scan data. And I've not seen anything in the exploration discussions that suggests existing scans will be negatively affected - there's just the new 'first mapped' credit, which is an entirely new, and different, thing.

For what it's worth, I'm in a similar position (about 10kly from Sol) with a month's worth of scan data and I won't be heading back.

 

[Quantis Trap]

I think he's worried that Chapter 4 will reset first scans if you don't hand them in before Chapter 4 hits, unless I'm reading that wrong. Sorry OP, I'm not sure. You might need to race back and sell. Hopefully we'll find out on Thursday during the live steam.

I'll be very surprised if un-submitted discovery data becomes invalid after the changes go live. The new layer of more detailed discovery really shouldn't change the existing discovery information.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

What I am interested to see is what happens if you re-honk with the new scanner a system that you've previously honked but not detail-scanned.

The obvious thing to happen is that - because you already know where all the bodies are, even if not what they are - the scanner picks them up instantly and gives you the detail "for free" without you having to relocate them. Whether you get *paid* for those details would be a different question, of course. And there are other alternatives possible too.

 

[Shiro Akai]

Now... What will happen with all my data for what I already discovered after Ch4 hits the live servers?

The most logical answer is - all data gathered BEFORE Ch 4 will be treated by the old rules. So it would be something like that:
- you start your journey
- you honk and scan systems (batch A)
- Chapter 4 rolls in
- you continue to honk and scan systems (batch B)
- you arrive at your destination and sell all data
- batch A is treated by the OLD rules (discovery first by due to simple honk)
- batch B is treated by the NEW rules (discovery + scan first by)

At least it is what I would do. But FDEVs have a history of rather unorthodox approach toward logic. Probably you'll end with all data be treated according to NEW rules, because it's not the acquisition time that matters but sell moment. And this will be done under new rules. If you won't sell it before Ch 4, that is.

 

[cmdr underhill]

At least it is what I would do. But FDEVs have a history of rather unorthodox approach toward logic.

I agree on your statement of FD's relationship with logic, however this exact sensible sequence was already done on a previous exploration update. I think it was just credit values and fixing a bug or something tho. I anticipate the same with the new exploration mechanics.

 

[Rudal]

The most logical answer is - all data gathered BEFORE Ch 4 will be treated by the old rules. So it would be something like that:
- you start your journey
- you honk and scan systems (batch A)
- Chapter 4 rolls in
- you continue to honk and scan systems (batch B)
- you arrive at your destination and sell all data
- batch A is treated by the OLD rules (discovery first by due to simple honk)
- batch B is treated by the NEW rules (discovery + scan first by)

At least it is what I would do. But FDEVs have a history of rather unorthodox approach toward logic. Probably you'll end with all data be treated according to NEW rules, because it's not the acquisition time that matters but sell moment. And this will be done under new rules. If you won't sell it before Ch 4, that is.

Well... Lets hope.
I may as well just stop where I am right now and wait for beta to test it.
I rather loose 9k LY of exploration data than 18 or 20.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I was wondering about a similar thing. Not credit related though. In the new system, the complete map only becomes available after you electromagnetify every object in the system. So how will the system map look for a system I honked in the old system, but didn't scan the objects. Will it be unresolved again? That would mean a lot of empty systems in the Bubble I honked just to know what was in them.

With regard to OPs question, they better pay up. I think Shiro is right with regard to that one.

 

[gooddoc]

I always play safe now when a big update is due.

I got stung a couple of years back, when Frontier migrated the Exploration data at an update & it borked. I lost 3 days worth of scanning, data of systems that I'd scanned showed as not been visited. Others continued to explore, but I parked up in the black & refused to play until the issue was resolved. Then I re-traced my steps as best as I could remember re-scaning again.

I know that I lost data due to the issue & support didn't help by informing me that they couldn't guarantee that all my collected system scans would be accounted for.

Since that day Iv

1. Always used a 3rd party tool to track my trip movements - currently EDDiscovery

2. Always return to the bubble & sell all data b4 the update goes live!

I would say the when FD increased payouts in the past, you always got the rate at when you scanned the system, not the higher rate. So I would expect what you have scanned/scan now gets the current rewards........but I wouldn't bet my house on it!!!!

 

[Rudal]

@gooddoc It took me few years to actually start this trip. First I got bored after 3k LY and went back, second I went as far as to Cats Paw Nebula and I crashed when I miscalculated my landing on one of the planets (never land when you are drunk ) and I had to wait nearly 6 months before I decided to try again. I really don't want to go back now.

It would be nice to see/hear something official about it. Maybe someone can ask the question during live stream? I'm never home when it's happening.

 

[gooddoc]

@gooddoc It took me few years to actually start this trip. First I got bored after 3k LY and went back, second I went as far as to Cats Paw Nebula and I crashed when I miscalculated my landing on one of the planets (never land when you are drunk ) and I had to wait nearly 6 months before I decided to try again. I really don't want to go back now.

It would be nice to see/hear something official about it. Maybe someone can ask the question during live stream? I'm never home when it's happening.

I flipped my 'Conda, while drunk, then bashed it 'til it popped, thinking I was taking off.

If I was you I'd stay out too, unless you're on the return journey. Iv done Beagle Point twice & Jaques Station around 18 time, so I'm hanging in the bubble now waiting to see what Q4 brings, b4 next years DWE2 trip.

Sometimes Frontier opens up a thread the day b4 a stream for questions about up & coming streams, they'll probably do this for Thursday's stream. Asking a question on stream night is a lottery.

 

[Rudal]

If I was you I'd stay out too, unless you're on the return journey.

No, I'm heading out. If I was returning I wouldn't worry about my data. I would just rush the 9k to get back home in time.

 

[Lucius-Darcia]

I think he's worried that Chapter 4 will reset first scans if you don't hand them in before Chapter 4 hits, unless I'm reading that wrong. Sorry OP, I'm not sure. You might need to race back and sell. Hopefully we'll find out on Thursday during the live steam.

Hopefully i have an answer for the op when beta hits. I hope the server mirroring has happened as long as i had still scans in my "hold".
Than i can check it in beta how the behavior is for those previous scanned systems

 

[Rudal]

Hopefully i have an answer for the op when beta hits. I hope the server mirroring has happened as long as i had still scans in my "hold".
Than i can check it in beta how the behavior is for those previous scanned systems

Please do post your findings cause I was away on my journey for quite a while so even if the mirror save was done a month ago I was still good 7k LY away from home.