Question: Broken Canopy and Life Support

SCPanda

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So if your life support module gets taken out AFTER your canopy is breached. You die instantly?

Yesterday I was doing an elite assassination mission. After my shield was down, the NPCs destroyed my canopy so I had like 7:30 emergency oxygen left with my D rated life support. However, after about 30 seconds my ship AI told me that my oxygen was depleted and my ship immediately got blown up. Then, I was sent to the rebuy screen. I had about 60% hull health left when that happened so I suspect the NPCs destroyed my life support module?
 

SCPanda

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Maymo said:
Sounds like your powerplant got blown up...

Life support just keeps your ship habitable without using emergency oxygen. You can test this by turning your life support off at any time.
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Thx for the reply but I knew all you said. However, it was weird because my ship AI said "Oxygen depleted, eject, eject..." Then I died. I had at least 7min of emergency oxygen left since my canopy was breached only about 30s ago. So I am wondering if you get both canopy and life support destroyed, you die instantly?
 

Maymo

Maymo
SCPanda said:
Thx for the reply but I knew all you said. However, it was weird because my ship AI said "Oxygen depleted, eject, eject..." Then I died. I had at least 7min of emergency oxygen left since my canopy was breached only about 30s ago. So I am wondering if you get both canopy and life support destroyed, you die instantly?
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Back in the days before engineering players used to fly Vultures with life support off all the time. I don't think no canopy/life support = insta death.

Honestly, I haven’t died in a long time...

Does COVAS even say ‘Oxygen Depleted’?

Seems a bit of a redundant notification for your ship to make as your cmdr’s lungs are collapsing... 🤔
 

bladebss

bladebss
Now i dont know for sure.. but...

Life suport is some thing that very rarly has ever broken on my ship and never also the canopy.

if you have a canopy and your life suport is broken/off, you seem to get the same amount of oxygen as if your canopy did brake. This has always buged me as upgrading the life support is what gives you that extra oxygen but as far as i can tell you dont have an oxygen line from the ship to your helmet. So if your canopy is blown, the life support should be making oxygen into the vacume in your cockpit and out into space thrugh the hole in your window. Mabe the magic chair has an O2 line it jacks into your suit when the remlock is activated?.. but then if your life support is working you should be able to breath just fine if your canopy brakes.. and only if your life suport brakes should you be on emergency O2.

I mean mabe the life suport is modular and it covers the emergency oxygen in your suit as well as the machine that keeps your cabin habitable.

When the life support or the window brakes, you go to the suit emergency O2.. in wich case the canopy and the life suport module are the same thing just one can be tageted and the other can be destroyed with a small pebble or a hard sneeze lol. And if one is broken it makes no diference if the other also brakes..

I also found it odd that your ship blows up when you run out of O2.. i think if we ever get eva in space and can bord other ships.. taking out the life support and waiting for the ocupant to sufocate, should be how you get a nice derelict ship to loot.. complete with floating corpses heh heh

Im willing to jump on and test it with you if you like and if the instanceing gods decree it.
 
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d8veh

d8veh
SCPanda said:
So if your life support module gets taken out AFTER your canopy is breached. You die instantly?

Yesterday I was doing an elite assassination mission. After my shield was down, the NPCs destroyed my canopy so I had like 7:30 emergency oxygen left with my D rated life support. However, after about 30 seconds my ship AI told me that my oxygen was depleted and my ship immediately got blown up. Then, I was sent to the rebuy screen. I had about 60% hull health left when that happened so I suspect the NPCs destroyed my life support module?
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Were you flying a Vulture? If so, fill it up with module reinforcements to prevent that.
 

Decksmeck

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bladebss said:
Now i dont know for sure.. but...

Life suport is some thing that very rarly has ever broken on my ship and never also the canopy.

if you have a canopy and your life suport is broken/off, you seem to get the same amount of oxygen as if your canopy did brake. This has always buged me as upgrading the life support is what gives you that extra oxygen but as far as i can tell you dont have an oxygen line from the ship to your helmet. So if your canopy is blown, the life support should be making oxygen into the vacume in your cockpit and out into space thrugh the hole in your window. Mabe the magic chair has an O2 line it jacks into your suit when the remlock is activated?.. but then if your life support is working you should be able to breath just fine if your canopy brakes.. and only if your life suport brakes should you be on emergency O2.

I mean mabe the life suport is modular and it covers the emergency oxygen in your suit as well as the machine that keeps your cabin habitable.

When the life support or the window brakes, you go to the suit emergency O2.. in wich case the canopy and the life suport module are the same thing just one can be tageted and the other can be destroyed with a small pebble or a hard sneeze lol. And if one is broken it makes no diference if the other also brakes..

I also found it odd that your ship blows up when you run out of O2.. i think if we ever get eva in space and can bord other ships.. taking out the life support and waiting for the ocupant to sufocate, should be how you get a nice derelict ship to loot.. complete with floating corpses heh heh

Im willing to jump on and test it with you if you like and if the instanceing gods decree it.
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When the canopy breaks it switches to your suit so that the life support can save up oxygen to fuel the explosion.
 

NorthernDevo

NorthernDevo
SCPanda said:
Thx for the reply but I knew all you said. However, it was weird because my ship AI said "Oxygen depleted, eject, eject..." Then I died. I had at least 7min of emergency oxygen left since my canopy was breached only about 30s ago. So I am wondering if you get both canopy and life support destroyed, you die instantly?
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Sure - you HAD 7 minutes of oxygen left. The downside was whoever was killing you was still doing it, and made sure you had no SHIP left. C'est la vie...
 

Amanojaku

Amanojaku
I usually get my life support shielded in my combat ships (at least grade 1 or 2). If life support gets sniped it acts the same as your canopy getting blown out. If it caused insta death everyone would snipe life support instead of power plants (which are often armored).

Too bad we can't get shielded canopies though. That would be nice.
 

rrobes

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I've always had mixed feelings about glass canopies on our ships.

On "old" Earth, steel naval ships would have shutters to attenuate damage to glassed areas, guess they "lost" that tech when humans went interstellar.

Check your journal file, may give you some insight as to what happened.
 

Eraden

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rrobes said:
I've always had mixed feelings about glass canopies on our ships.

On "old" Earth, steel naval ships would have shutters to attenuate damage to glassed areas, guess they "lost" that tech when humans went interstellar.

Check your journal file, may give you some insight as to what happened.
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Given that the tech already exists to have curved LCD screens. What really should have been done is to simply have an armored enclosed cockpit bubble with cameras mounted on the exterior of the ship providing the visuals required to fly the ship. No glass-like canopy required.
 

Kamiyoda

Kamiyoda
Eraden said:
Given that the tech already exists to have curved LCD screens. What really should have been done is to simply have an armored enclosed cockpit bubble with cameras mounted on the exterior of the ship providing the visuals required to fly the ship. No glass-like canopy required.
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Shhh, we dont talk about realism here
 

babelfisch

babelfisch
Eraden said:
Given that the tech already exists to have curved LCD screens. What really should have been done is to simply have an armored enclosed cockpit bubble with cameras mounted on the exterior of the ship providing the visuals required to fly the ship. No glass-like canopy required.
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Given that the tech already exists to fly unmanned drones and self driving cars, we shouldn't even need pilots.
As I said in another thread, ban everyone from the game and let the bots take over. It's way more realistic.
 

BL1P

BL1P
Eraden said:
Given that the tech already exists to have curved LCD screens. What really should have been done is to simply have an armored enclosed cockpit bubble with cameras mounted on the exterior of the ship providing the visuals required to fly the ship. No glass-like canopy required.
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Taking out the Camera control module or the Individual Cameras on the exterior should be an option then.
I suppose when Cameras are dead the Shielding lifts up so you can see out the Canopy as we do now.
Then you are back to, what if the canopy gets destroyed.
Ablative shielded Voyager here we come !

ECM would be a bit of a nightmare too :)
 

Eraden

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BL1P said:
Taking out the Camera control module or the Individual Cameras on the exterior should be an option then.
I suppose when Cameras are dead the Shielding lifts up so you can see out the Canopy as we do now.
Then you are back to, what if the canopy gets destroyed.
Ablative shielded Voyager here we come !

ECM would be a bit of a nightmare too :)
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Given that the cameras would be absolutely tiny, I would think it would be beyond difficult to actually target them and destroy them. They could also be embedded in their own armored mounts too. Kamiyoda also has a good point. The radiation from a star is many orders of magnitude greater than any EMP weapons we can imagine making. If jumping right into the corona of a star doesn't fry our ships, any EMP pulse from a man-made weapon should do nothing to our ships. Then again, he did also say that we don't talk about realism here.
 

Kamiyoda

Kamiyoda
Eraden said:
Given that the cameras would be absolutely tiny, I would think it would be beyond difficult to actually target them and destroy them. They could also be embedded in their own armored mounts too. Kamiyoda also has a good point. The radiation from a star is many orders of magnitude greater than any EMP weapons we can imagine making. If jumping right into the corona of a star doesn't fry our ships, any EMP pulse from a man-made weapon should do nothing to our ships. Then again, he did also say that we don't talk about realism here.
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Mostly because this universe runs on rule of cool(Like most Sci Fi) and applying real world logic to it tends to make it look ridiculous in almost every aspect of its lore.

I occassionally do delve into it though just because its fun(ny). But justifying gameplay decisions because "Its realstic" is kind of missing the point in a game that isn't all that realstic to begin with.
 
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