Question... Legal kill or exploit/bug

Y2K

Y2K
I was jumped last night outside the cg station - within the no fire zone by a cmdr in a FAS - to my suprise the station did nothing neither did the countless feds that were flying around. Being in my cutter i thought ok np youll be dust in a min or so. Hell no!! as soon as i shot at the guy the station opened up on me as did the feds.

now.. the station is in high sec, had lots of auth ships around + it was well within the no fire zone ( just outside the letter box ). im aligned with an hostile power yes but i had no power play materials on board neither did i have any pp bountys. From what i remember reading - you can only legally attack an hostile power player if they are carrying pp materials OR have a pp bounty??

Regardless, the fact that all this happened well within the no fire zone. Exploit? Bug? Doesnt make sense.
 

Y2K

Y2K
he shot at me first.. as for being fair game - even in the no fire zone well thats news to me.

Also im pretty sure i read that its only legal once they scan you AND your carrying pp materials...
 

Stealthie

Stealthie
Was he shooting at you from outside the no-fire zone?

Said it before, I've had people shooting at me as I've gone through the mailslot and headed for my landing pad.
Hard to believe they're managing that from >7.5km away so I assume there's some kind of "exploit" which allows people to do this without the station retaliating.

As a rule, I tend to just ignore it and land.
 

Y2K

Y2K
nope. he was just outside the letter box. infront of me. station did nothing.. feds did nothing.. but when i shot back im fined, bounty and attacked by station + feds.
 
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StarfireIX

StarfireIX
Y2K said:
nope. he was just outside the letter box. infront of me. station did nothing.. feds did nothing.. but when i shot back im fined, bounty and attacked by station + feds.
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According to the devs, if you fire at an enemy player in a non-Control system, you will be fired on by security. If you are in enemy territory and you fire on an enemy CMDR... then maybe something might need to be fixed there...
 

NecasekO

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It is perfectly possible to attack wanted / enemy ships in no fire zone. You will get a fine for firing a weapon inside NFZ, but as long as it was a valid target you don't get wanted, station doesn't fire and security ships ignore it.

I had a similar experience and tried shooting back when I got outside NFZ. I only received a PP bounty (1000 Cr), the station said they are sending ships after me but didn't. I didn't get a local bounty so I could dock and trade freely.
 

Y2K

Y2K
wasnt wanted. had no bountys normal or pp. was carrying no pp materials. was well inside the no fire zone as was the attacking player. im sure i read that for you to attack another pp cmdr you had to scan them and they had to be carrying pp material.
 

Old Duck

Old Duck
Y2K said:
wasnt wanted. had no bountys normal or pp. was carrying no pp materials. was well inside the no fire zone as was the attacking player. im sure i read that for you to attack another pp cmdr you had to scan them and they had to be carrying pp material.
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If you are a hostile in enemy space (PowerPlay), then it was a legal kill. If you go to Moscow and fire on a Russian civilian, even if that civilian fired first (assuming you're British), guess who the FSB is coming for.

Actually, my example is simplistic, because if you are pledged to an enemy power, that's almost like being a spy in enemy territory. In other words, you were the enemy, and thus you were fair game for anyone loyal to the power in control of the system you were in. That "HOSTILE" warning is there for a reason.
 
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Gully Foyle

Gully Foyle
Y2K said:
he shot at me first.. as for being fair game - even in the no fire zone well thats news to me.

Also im pretty sure i read that its only legal once they scan you AND your carrying pp materials...
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Pretty sure you only need to be pledged and show as hostile in the local system
 

Jukelo

Jukelo
Y2K said:
he shot at me first.. as for being fair game - even in the no fire zone well thats news to me.

Also im pretty sure i read that its only legal once they scan you AND your carrying pp materials...
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Shooting inside the no fire zone is just a misdemeanor, it will give you a fine, no matter if the target is a legal kill or not (even if there is no target).
Similarly, the NFZ has no relevance on the legality of a kill. If you shoot a ship you're not suppsed to outside the NFZ, you will provoke a police response just like if you did inside the NFZ.
 
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