question re wanted status

[nightskiss]

so was bounty hunting round a resource extraction site good run about 100k in bounties - then the usual accidental hit of a fed sec ship who runs into your firing line. so jump out go to a starbase - the sb blows me up .... i thought you didnt immediatly become fair game for the sb - you had a grace period of a day to pay the fine?

anyway net position - -150k in lost bounties and repairs cant even afford to reload my guns

have i missed something?

 

[Raf von Thorn]

Fine is a different thing. You get fined for minor offences. Firing at the Security Ship is a major crime, you get a BOUNTY on your head, not a fine.

If it happens to you, go to closest outpost station to pay your bounty, they usually dont have security ships around to scan you, do NOT go to a coriolis (or bigger) station.

 

[Suicidal Tendencies]

Also, check the system map; highlight the space stations - if you are wanted, it will state it there. You can dock at any station where you are not wanted to pay the fine

 

[snotface]

Fine is a different thing. You get fined for minor offences. Firing at the Security Ship is a major crime, you get a BOUNTY on your head, not a fine.

If it happens to you, go to closest outpost station to pay your bounty, they usually dont have security ships around to scan you, do NOT go to a coriolis (or bigger) station.

This may not be the case here. The question you should of been asking was .. How much was the Bounty? 200 credits 900 credits?

The reason I ask is the hitting of ships by accident is a pain, and getting a WANTED in the corner of your screen is a pain when you actually kill a bountied NPC or player. When security forces attack you they do not get fixed bountied,

Think of this as crazy. I kill a 59K Wanted bounty. I hit no other ship and target no other ship. After bounty is dead, about 10 seconds later a security ship opened fired upon me turning him red. I did not target him until after my guns were put away. I did not fire but I got a bounty of 900 credits. how crazy is that. If you hit them you get bounty, if they attack you, you get bounty..

Always cheack to see how high your bounty is before approaching bases just in case.

 

[Soda Popinski]

People complain about getting killed for minor fines.

"Loitering is punishable by death."

Apparently, life is cheap.

 

[tomPhoenix]

I've never had an issue going to a big station. It is NOT a bounty for hitting a security officer it is a fine. Usually about 600cr. This is an unavoidable part of NPC bounty hunting.

That said, I have NEVER been blown up by a security officer at a station.

However. I HAVE been blown up by the actual station AFTER docking and paying the fine and then undocking again! I now keep my eyes on the color of the station and if it's red, I'll log out of the game and come back...Hopefully that will help, but who knows.

I have also shot a wanted NPC and then became wanted myself. The NPC belonged to a faction in the system that maybe was allied with federation? I'm not sure, it was weird. Anyway, I went to that faction's outpost no less and paid the fine there. Still didn't get shot at by any authority or blown up. I am certain that I WOULD have been shot at by the authorities if I stayed at the resource extraction site, if I went to a nav beacon, or if I got interdicted by the police.

Are you hanging out by the station and not docking? Outside of the no fire zone? Be sure to move swiftly (you don't need to panic or move too fast, but be decisive. dock.) and get in there to pay the fine.

I've also destroyed innocent NPCs and had 6,000cr+ fines before. Still have never been destroyed by system authority. I could ALWAYS pay my fines at ANY station.

If you did get destroyed for a fine that you didn't let lapse into a bounty... Then I would definitely say it's a bug.

To further clarify - you can get shot while wanted. In my experience it's often not immediate unless you're directly in front of an authority vessel somewhere. At resource extraction sites I've stayed a while to finish up NPCs before leaving because there have been so many wanted NPCs that the authorities were busy.

 

[MartinW]

Just happened to me a few minutes ago. Was blasting a bad guy with my high energy photons and a suicidal cop veered right in the firing line. A few little hits and I was wanted.

There should be coding in place so that a brief hit is ignored, regarded as accidental, and only sustained fire regarded as deliberate and thus punishable.

 

[snotface]

Just happened to me a few minutes ago. Was blasting a bad guy with my high energy photons and a suicidal cop veered right in the firing line. A few little hits and I was wanted.

There should be coding in place so that a brief hit is ignored, regarded as accidental, and only sustained fire regarded as deliberate and thus punishable.

It would be nice to have an NPC cop send you a message stating "Dont fire on police or we will attack you" ro something like that. Gives you a chance to walk away. I find it funny how an Clean NPC can have a 24k bounty in Fed space, but still be clean?

 

[Argus Leadhead]

I've never had an issue going to a big station. It is NOT a bounty for hitting a security officer it is a fine. Usually about 600cr. This is an unavoidable part of NPC bounty hunting.

That said, I have NEVER been blown up by a security officer at a station.

However. I HAVE been blown up by the actual station AFTER docking and paying the fine and then undocking again! I now keep my eyes on the color of the station and if it's red, I'll log out of the game and come back...Hopefully that will help, but who knows.

I have also shot a wanted NPC and then became wanted myself. The NPC belonged to a faction in the system that maybe was allied with federation? I'm not sure, it was weird. Anyway, I went to that faction's outpost no less and paid the fine there. Still didn't get shot at by any authority or blown up. I am certain that I WOULD have been shot at by the authorities if I stayed at the resource extraction site, if I went to a nav beacon, or if I got interdicted by the police.

Are you hanging out by the station and not docking? Outside of the no fire zone? Be sure to move swiftly (you don't need to panic or move too fast, but be decisive. dock.) and get in there to pay the fine.

I've also destroyed innocent NPCs and had 6,000cr+ fines before. Still have never been destroyed by system authority. I could ALWAYS pay my fines at ANY station.

If you did get destroyed for a fine that you didn't let lapse into a bounty... Then I would definitely say it's a bug.

To further clarify - you can get shot while wanted. In my experience it's often not immediate unless you're directly in front of an authority vessel somewhere. At resource extraction sites I've stayed a while to finish up NPCs before leaving because there have been so many wanted NPCs that the authorities were busy.

So much of your information isn't correct....

When you shoot any clean ship, you get a bounty on your head. It's classified as a violent action, that's why it says "wanted" immediately after. Saying it's just a fine is not correct.

Also, if you got wanted for shooting a wanted target, I'm guessing you either shot too soon before the scan finished or you used a kill warrant scanner and shot a target that was wanted in another jurisdiction.

You stated you went to an outpost and payed your bounties off, there isn't security at outposts so of course you didn't get shot by them.

Also, destroying any clean ship, along with shooting, give you a BOUNTY. NOT A FINE. You got a 6000+cr BOUNTY for killing the ship.

Lastly, you can't pay FINES at ANY station like you claim. You can pay off BOUNTIES at ANY station. Fines can only be paid at stations belong to the faction issuing them.

I don't know how people can't wrap their head around the difference between the two.

A fine, is like a citation for parking in the wrong spot.
A bounty gives anyone a license to kill you.

If you're killed for a FINE it's a bug.
If you're killed for a BOUNTY it's because you weren't thinking or careful.

 

[snotface]

So much of your information isn't correct....

When you shoot any clean ship, you get a bounty on your head. It's classified as a violent action, that's why it says "wanted" immediately after. Saying it's just a fine is not correct.

Also, if you got wanted for shooting a wanted target, I'm guessing you either shot too soon before the scan finished or you used a kill warrant scanner and shot a target that was wanted in another jurisdiction.

I think it is you that isn't correct totally..

Yes it is true that if you attack a Clean ship you will get a bounty placed upon you.

But this is where you are incorrect. I have been given bounties after the wanted ship I have just killed has blown up. I did not get the bounty for killing the wanted criminal, I got the bounty from a fed NPC which has just attacked me after I killed the bountied NPC. I have used the Warrant scanner and waited until after scan before killing wanted criminals and have still received a 200 credit wanted bounty upon me. Lucky for me I jump to the nearest Friendly station and pay fine.

It is possible in this game to get a fine for killing wanted criminals. If that is possible them it is possible to be killed by a station affiliated to that wanted criminals faction, which he probably did. I game green zones where I bounty hunt. If I hit a friendly ship I jump away. If friendly ships all turn red I jump away then return.

No point dying over 200 credits

 

[snotface]

Well I just got 200 credit bounty. for being hit first by Fed ship. Went to green station, got scanned, everything fine then station turned red. Lucky I boosted away, but still not my fault and had to run. lol line of ships after me was fun

 

[Argus Leadhead]

But this is where you are incorrect. I have been given bounties after the wanted ship I have just killed has blown up. I did not get the bounty for killing the wanted criminal, I got the bounty from a fed NPC which has just attacked me after I killed the bountied NPC. I have used the Warrant scanner and waited until after scan before killing wanted criminals and have still received a 200 credit wanted bounty upon me. Lucky for me I jump to the nearest Friendly station and pay fine.


No point dying over 200 credits

Never once have a received a bounty on my head for killing a wanted ship, unless:
-The ship is only wanted in another jurisdiction (only the KWS will show that but won't say where they're wanted until you kill them) unless in an anarchy system, the ship is essentially "clean" as far as the authorities are concerned.
-I jump the gun on my scan (the automatic one) and shoot prior to it saying "wanted" in the lower left of the screen.

It sounds like your getting a bounty for getting shot BY authority ships after you kill a bounty if I understand correctly. If that's the case, it's definitely a bug. So it's not that I'm incorrect, it's that I've never experienced a bug that you have, which is surprising for me since all I do is bounty hunt in empire space or try to get my wanted status as high as I can in federation space. I'd ticket it if I were you. Unless the 200cr bounty is from returning fire on the fed ship, but from the way you post, it doesn't sound like that's the case.

Another factor could just be you shooting at someone who's the same faction as the authority ships. It's possible, but since you hunt in green (friendly) zones, it doesn't seem likely unless you shoot wanted ships that start as green to you.

As for dying over 200cr, the value isn't the point. The point is you shot another ship. It could be 1cr or 10,000cr for that offence, the value is not relevant. It isn't up to the criminal to decide if the laws are fair, it's up to the society. As such, society (FDev and in game authority) have decided that simply shooting another ship is grounds for death. You either play by the rules (don't do anything to get a bounty and watch your fire) or deal with the consequence. If the devs wanted it to be harder to get wanted, they could've simply made it so we get a fine for shooting another ship instead of a bounty. This could've been done in alpha before I signed on as a backer but the fact of the matter is, it's this way because FDev made it this way.

They've been pretty upfront on a number of occasions by saying something like, 'this is our game, we're making it how WE want. If you don't like it, you can go make your own game how YOU want."

EDIT: if or when FDev decides to change this, they will. Until that point, there's no sense whining about it. Just deal with it and learn the game mechanics as they are. If it too hard for people, they need to practise more.

 

[snotface]

Snip got too board

Clearly your missing the point. I attack a wanted ship. I hit no other ship. Wanted ship is not aligned with area. I kill ship and get bounty. I am not wanted. Then Fed ship attacks me and changed colour from green to red. I get bounty.

Just because it has never happened to you do not mean it does not happen.

 

[Argus Leadhead]

Clearly your missing the point. I attack a wanted ship. I hit no other ship. Wanted ship is not aligned with area. I kill ship and get bounty. I am not wanted. Then Fed ship attacks me and changed colour from green to red. I get bounty.

Just because it has never happened to you do not mean it does not happen.

Maybe you should read the whole post...

I straight up said, it's a bug. Ticket it instead of getting snotty with me about it.

Don't blame me because your attention span seems to be comparable to that of a gnat and you can't be bothered to read a whole post.

If you would've read it, you would've seen that I went over all the possible variable for WHY you might have gotten wanted. You also might have seen (numerous times) me saying, it didn't seem likely that what I was outlining was the problem.

Reading comprehension for the win I guess.

Edit: the only variable I didn't bring up in my last post, was what kind if weapons are you using? If you've got any turrets on board, that could be your problem. They have a mind of their own and will likely engage any hostile (red blip) unless set properly in the function menu.

 

[snotface]

Maybe you should read the whole post...

I straight up said, it's a bug. Ticket it instead of getting snotty with me about it.

Don't blame me because your attention span seems to be comparable to that of a gnat and you can't be bothered to read a whole post.

If you would've read it, you would've seen that I went over all the possible variable for WHY you might have gotten wanted. You also might have seen (numerous times) me saying, it didn't seem likely that what I was outlining was the problem.

Reading comprehension for the win I guess.

Edit: the only variable I didn't bring up in my last post, was what kind if weapons are you using? If you've got any turrets on board, that could be your problem. They have a mind of their own and will likely engage any hostile (red blip) unless set properly in the function menu.

I am not getting into a flame war with somebody who wishes to do name calling, its a tiresome wait of time and you lack in most things.

As for turrets they only have a mind of their own if you have not already set them to "Target Only"

As for my comment, I did read what you had put and I did comprehend exactly what you meant, but clearly this is a bug and I will no longer waist my time replaying to somebody who just wishes to flame.. Have fun by yourself.

 

[Argus Leadhead]

I am not getting into a flame war with somebody who wishes to do name calling, its a tiresome waste of time and you lack in most things.

As for turrets they only have a mind of their own if you have not already set them to "Target Only"

As for my comment, I did read what you had put and I did comprehend exactly what you meant, but clearly this is a bug and I will no longer waste my time replying to somebody who just wishes to flame.. Have fun by yourself.

Answers a logical and fairly respectful post about what might have caused the trouble, with rudeness. Says I start a flame war.
Kthxbai.

It's pretty obvious you didn't read past the bullet points at the top when you reply "just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen." Not to mention the you "got too board" quote, implying you didn't have the attention span to read it. It's bored by the way.

I never said anything along the lines of it never happening. I said I've never experienced that and that surprises me considering all I do in this game and that it's a bug. You obviously overlooked that little tidbit of information. Sure you might have read it after the fact, but obviously not before you hit post.

Anyway, I try to keep it respectful but when someone has the information in front if them, willfully ignores it, then tries to jump down my throat over it, I'm not going to be so nice to them.

Also, where's the name calling? Comparing your attention span to a gnat is simply saying you have a short attention span, like a gnat. I didn't call you a gnat. I said you've got a short attention span and I'm sorry you're unable to read between the lines or understand a common figure of speech.

 

[snotface]

Answers a logical and fairly respectful post about what might have caused the trouble, with rudeness. Says I start a flame war.
Kthxbai.

It's pretty obvious you didn't read past the bullet points at the top when you reply "just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen." Not to mention the you "got too board" quote, implying you didn't have the attention span to read it. It's bored by the way.

I never said anything along the lines of it never happening. I said I've never experienced that and that surprises me considering all I do in this game and that it's a bug. You obviously overlooked that little tidbit of information. Sure you might have read it after the fact, but obviously not before you hit post.

Anyway, I try to keep it respectful but when someone has the information in front if them, willfully ignores it, then tries to jump down my throat over it, I'm not going to be so nice to them.

Also, where's the name calling? Comparing your attention span to a gnat is simply saying you have a short attention span, like a gnat. I didn't call you a gnat. I said you've got a short attention span and I'm sorry you're unable to read between the lines or understand a common figure of speech.

I think your little flame is over.

BTW I must point out that what you have done can be seen to others as bullying somebody for not being able to spell and having an opinion. Just saying continue your flames see where it gets you.

 

[Argus Leadhead]

I think your little flame is over.

BTW I must point out that what you have done can be seen to others as bullying somebody for not being able to spell and having an opinion. Just saying continue your flames see where it gets you.

Have an opinion, all you want. That's not anywhere close to what's going on here. It's when the opinion is contrary to the facts at hand, that the opinion is wrong. If you want to say I'm lacking things, elaborate. The English language isn't one of those things. Neither is my understanding of how the games bounty mechanics work. What I am lacking, is the patience to deal with people, like you, who ignore facts as they are and then flaunt their opinion as truth.

If you had read the entire post, before replying as you did. We wouldn't be in this predicament now.

 

[Llyr]

One on one combat near an extraction site in a SOLO game, killed a wanted, 20k credits. then I start getting attacked, can't figure out by who. Lots of security around, so I duck into a cloud of security.

I am NOT WANTED. they all jump me and blow me up. This has been happening more and more. NOT wanted, and security is blowing me up.

What the heck. FIX THIS BUG. It has cost me over 200 k in the last day.

I am " you just deleted my post for telling you how I really feel, it involved warm bodily fluids exiting through the urethra" .

Didn't know ED forum staff rules were set up by such silly people, see "Monty Python". They appear to be singularly unintelligent and twisted.

 

[vonvonbraun]

so was bounty hunting round a resource extraction site good run about 100k in bounties - then the usual accidental hit of a fed sec ship who runs into your firing line. so jump out go to a starbase - the sb blows me up .... i thought you didnt immediatly become fair game for the sb - you had a grace period of a day to pay the fine?

anyway net position - -150k in lost bounties and repairs cant even afford to reload my guns

have i missed something?

you have missed something yes, but i am here.. I have been wanted for so long i forgot when it started

when you are wanted you want to dock at an outpost, less security, no scans

and if you absolutely have to doct in a big station, immediately request docking. This will block them shooting at you (not the security ships however)

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One on one combat near an extraction site in a SOLO game, killed a wanted, 20k credits. then I start getting attacked, can't figure out by who. Lots of security around, so I duck into a cloud of security.

I am NOT WANTED. they all jump me and blow me up. This has been happening more and more. NOT wanted, and security is blowing me up.

What the heck. FIX THIS BUG. It has cost me over 200 k in the last day.

I am " you just deleted my post for telling you how I really feel, it involved warm bodily fluids exiting through the urethra" .

Didn't know ED forum staff rules were set up by such silly people, see "Monty Python". They appear to be singularly unintelligent and twisted.

are you sure you are not hostile to the system / local reputation? That is shoot on sight, no matter if you are wanted or not