Question regarding climbable platforms and traversable area

[Iben]

So in Tharmachati we have an exhibit with a bunch of platforms over the guests the binturong are supposed to climb on. But we're having a hard time making them use the climbing structure, because essentially the platforms aren't recognized as traversable area, only climbable area.

As you can see, this is one of the platforms. When looking at the traversable area, this is what we get.

None of the climbable platform pieces are traversable, and even adding a layer of planks on top of them has no effect.

Whilst when I put the climbing platform on the ground, all of a sudden it is considered part of the traversable area.

Anybody got an idea of what I'm doing wrong here?

 

[Tobs]

Tricky one.

When the platforms are only "climbable" but not "traversable", it's really misleading coz they aren't climbable neither traversable. So you need to figure out, by trial an error, where the problem is.

I suspect the issue is somewhere in the ground-vertical beam connection. In addition, I also think there's something "wrong" with the climbing mechanisms of binturongs - coz I had similar issues today, where something that looked fine, didn't work at all for the binturong.

I guess you have tried, but just in case, have you tried a simple T structure connecting the "big blue traversable area, towards the right in the first picture" with the platform? Or with any high-platform at all?

 

[TFG21]

I've struggled with this loads when building climbing structures for orangutans, gorillas, and oddly enough koalas. Other than fiddling around until it becomes traversible for some unknown reason, I have not come across a solution. I've even had it where I got the climbing structure to work, but when I blueprint it and place it elsewhere, it becomes unusable again. I've found its usually related to a piece that registers as climbable on the heatmap but is not actually climbable (again, not sure why). I'm guessing this is a bug

 

[Dezessete]

I hope I understood the problem right. It's that the platform is inly climbable, not traversable, right?
I had the same problem with some monkey enclosures, because they didn't recognised shelters because of this. Apperantly climbing structures and platforms that can only be reached with other climbing structures aren't traversable. You need a connection with the ground, which is not a climbing structure (rocks, terraforming etc.)

To make it more clear This was the initial traversable area of my mandrils:

After giving them a rock ramp it looked like this:

As reference:

 

[Firestar97]

I've made a Platform in a Gorilla Enclosure into walkable Area once. I've placed a Net that was made out of Ropes (back then when Ropes weren't climbable. The Object you're using isn't allowed to be climbable, use something else) inside of the Platform

 

[Iben]

I hope I understood the problem right. It's that the platform is inly climbable, not traversable, right?
I had the same problem with some monkey enclosures, because they didn't recognised shelters because of this. Apperantly climbing structures and platforms that can only be reached with other climbing structures aren't traversable. You need a connection with the ground, which is not a climbing structure (rocks, terraforming etc.)

Yup that's exactly the problem I had. I'll fiddle around with it some more, but it's a shame though, connecting it with ground or rocks isn't really something I want to do of course, as then the realism is gone

I've made a Platform in a Gorilla Enclosure into walkable Area once. I've placed a Net that was made out of Ropes (back then when Ropes weren't climbable. The Object you're using isn't allowed to be climbable, use something else) inside of the Platform

Yeah I used non-climbable platforms too, made out of plaster, but there was no difference...

 

[Tobs]

Tricky one.

When the platforms are only "climbable" but not "traversable", it's really misleading coz they aren't climbable neither traversable. So you need to figure out, by trial an error, where the problem is.

I suspect the issue is somewhere in the ground-vertical beam connection. In addition, I also think there's something "wrong" with the climbing mechanisms of binturongs - coz I had similar issues today, where something that looked fine, didn't work at all for the binturong.

I guess you have tried, but just in case, have you tried a simple T structure connecting the "big blue traversable area, towards the right in the first picture" with the platform? Or with any high-platform at all?

OK. I loaded up my file and guess what. Platforms that were previously traversable for binturongs aren't anymore traversable. I've troubleshooted a little bit, but failed. I'll keep you updated.

 

[Tobs]

I hope I understood the problem right. It's that the platform is inly climbable, not traversable, right?
I had the same problem with some monkey enclosures, because they didn't recognised shelters because of this. Apparently climbing structures and platforms that can only be reached with other climbing structures aren't traversable. You need a connection with the ground, which is not a climbing structure (rocks, terraforming etc.)

This makes things 100% easier but is not true (if I understand you correctly).

I'll post evidence later, but I have high-platforms that can only be reached via climbing structures.

 

[Dezessete]

This makes things 100% easier but is not true (if I understand you correctly).

I'll post evidence later, but I have high-platforms that can only be reached via climbing structures.

Are those plattforms also climbing structures? Because from my experience, you can connect non-climbable surfaces with climbing structures and those should then become traversable, while climbing structures won't.

But then again, I base my solution mostly on the observation of other forum members, so yeah I could indeed be wrong here.

It seems to me, that the rules of how climbing structures works are quite wonky. Ask 5 different people and you get 10 different answers on how it works.

 

[Tobs]

This makes things 100% easier but is not true (if I understand you correctly).

I'll post evidence later, but I have high-platforms that can only be reached via climbing structures.

As promised, here we have:
-Red panda:

You can see the subject already there, here his traversable area:

-And something similar for the Orangutans:

The three tiers are accessible to orangutans.

Are those plattforms also climbing structures? Because from my experience, you can connect non-climbable surfaces with climbing structures and those should then become traversable, while climbing structures won't.

But then again, I base my solution mostly on the observation of other forum members, so yeah I could indeed be wrong here.

It seems to me, that the rules of how climbing structures works are quite wonky. Ask 5 different people and you get 10 different answers on how it works.

Regarding this, it really doesn't matter whether the surface is climbable or not. If the animals have access to it, and the surface is big enough, it will show as traversable. I have added a couple of traversable area pics to demonstrate this (I'm not attaching the photo pic, since it's pretty obvious in the traversability pic that I've added a climbing structure to the surface).

and...

The issue Iben is facing, and I have faced many many times (that orangutan tower was a nightmare to get it functional), is when a surface is not showing taversability, only climbability. In my eyes, as I explained earlier, this is actually misleading, because it's not traversable but not climbable either (coz if it's climbable, it should be traversable as the area is "big enough" to be traversable - at least for the binturong or red panda).

 

[Dezessete]

The issue Iben is facing, and I have faced many many times (that orangutan tower was a nightmare to get it functional), is when a surface is not showing taversability, only climbability. In my eyes, as I explained earlier, this is actually misleading, because it's not traversable but not climbable either (coz if it's climbable, it should be traversable as the area is "big enough" to be traversable - at least for the binturong or red panda).

I don't think this part is true either because this structure from me also shows only the climbable area, not the traversable area of the part in the middle. But the monkey reach everything.

My most intersting find I got from experimenting here ist this one. You can see that the bear should be able to climb to the bowl of water.
He does actually use the bowl of water but he will remain on the tower to the right.
Apperently he is a jedi that can use the force to drink water.

 

[Tobs]

I don't think this part is true either because this structure from me also shows only the climbable area, not the traversable area of the part in the middle. But the monkey reach everything.


My most intersting find I got from experimenting here ist this one. You can see that the bear should be able to climb to the bowl of water.
He does actually use the bowl of water but he will remain on the tower to the right.
Apperently he is a jedi that can use the force to drink water.

As I said, it's only correct if you expect that area to be traversable for that animal.

Bet you if you remove the water bowl, it will be traversable. Also, bonobos' hitboxes are bigger and for the simple 1x1 or 2x1 climbable platforms are not going to show traversable, just climbable.

Your bear example is a good one. You would fully expect some of the platform on the left to be traversable. But it isn't. It only shows climbable. But the bear will never ever touch it. No way. Reason? Bears can't climb on lianas. The same as orangutans can't climb on ropes only, despite it shown climbable in the map. If you change the lianas for climbing logs, the bear will actually reach the high platform on the left.

 

[TFG21]

Your bear example is a good one. You would fully expect some of the platform on the left to be traversable. But it isn't. It only shows climbable. But the bear will never ever touch it. No way. Reason? Bears can't climb on lianas. The same as orangutans can't climb on ropes only, despite it shown climbable in the map. If you change the lianas for climbing logs, the bear will actually reach the high platform on the left.

The problem of objects appearing as climbable on the heat map but actually aren't climbable is immensely frustrating. It took me days of testing to figure out this was the reason some of my climbing structures don't work. It should be that if it shows as climbable on the heatmap, it ACTUALLY is climbable

 

[Dezessete]

As I said, it's only correct if you expect that area to be traversable for that animal.

Bet you if you remove the water bowl, it will be traversable. Also, bonobos' hitboxes are bigger and for the simple 1x1 or 2x1 climbable platforms are not going to show traversable, just climbable.

Your bear example is a good one. You would fully expect some of the platform on the left to be traversable. But it isn't. It only shows climbable. But the bear will never ever touch it. No way. Reason? Bears can't climb on lianas. The same as orangutans can't climb on ropes only, despite it shown climbable in the map. If you change the lianas for climbing logs, the bear will actually reach the high platform on the left.

For the bonobos I fully expect the middle plattform to be traversable because it has the same size as the plattforms left and right, which are traversable.

The interessting part about the bear is not that he can't climb the liana, but that the game thinks he can do it. He can reach the bowl of water just fine, because the game determines that he can, even though the reality is different.

 

[Tobs]

For the bonobos I fully expect the middle plattform to be traversable because it has the same size as the plattforms left and right, which are traversable.

The interessting part about the bear is not that he can't climb the liana, but that the game thinks he can do it. He can reach the bowl of water just fine, because the game determines that he can, even though the reality is different.

There's a water bowl that interferes with the "theoretical" traversable area due to its hitbox. If you remove it, I'd expect it to be fully traversable as the other platforms.

Bear issue. Yes, it happens. It also happens with keepers. There's an enrichment item in the orangutan habitat which is accesible to the keeper, but keeper never goes there to fill it. It happens "magically" whenever the keeper throws food at the entrance.

 

[Dezessete]

Yeah, I missunderstood the part with the waterbowl.