Question to "tag everything"-ers

drkaii

drkaii
Hi guys,

Just a quick question. Why do you tag EVERYTHING in a system rather than leave something for someone else? You know who you are. I don't really mind random systems, but nice systems, like anything within 1000ly of the bubble, or in a nebula, or other attractive system.

It kinda feels like the motivation is "this system is for ME TagBoy243, everyone will see TagBoy243 when they come here and NOBODY else bwahahahaha!"

Which comes across kinda selfish ya know? Wouldn't it be polite to let some others get a moon or something with their name on it? What do you lose?

Anyway, this thread isn't to great tension, it's to alleviate it. I'd really be happy to hear how my presumption is false and the real reason you do it :)

I very rarely tag EVERYTHING, but sometimes I do, but only somewhere very far away, where people won't feel like they are missing out.
 

Noogillim

Noogillim
If you have the advanced discovery scanner it takes the whole system in one hit there is no choice.

You have the choice of detailed surface scanning as that is only body by body when close enough.

Are you suggesting that the ADS should no longer be allowed in the game?
 

Kuroshio

Kuroshio
Noogillim said:
If you have the advanced discovery scanner it takes the whole system in one hit there is no choice.

You have the choice of detailed surface scanning as that is only body by body when close enough.

Are you suggesting that the ADS should no longer be allowed in the game?
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Err ... Discovery scans (B/I/ADS honks) don't tag bodies, they only reveal them to the pilot scanning. For a first discovery tag, you need to do a surface scan.
 
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Silvershadow

Silvershadow
drkaii said:
Hi guys,

Just a quick question. Why do you tag EVERYTHING in a system rather than leave something for someone else? You know who you are. I don't really mind random systems, but nice systems, like anything within 1000ly of the bubble, or in a nebula, or other attractive system.

It kinda feels like the motivation is "this system is for ME TagBoy243, everyone will see TagBoy243 when they come here and NOBODY else bwahahahaha!"

Which comes across kinda selfish ya know? Wouldn't it be polite to let some others get a moon or something with their name on it? What do you lose?

Anyway, this thread isn't to great tension, it's to alleviate it. I'd really be happy to hear how my presumption is false and the real reason you do it :)

I very rarely tag EVERYTHING, but sometimes I do, but only somewhere very far away, where people won't feel like they are missing out.
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I saw this always the other way round.
I admired those pilots who took their time to scan all those small moons and all odds and ends. I thought (and still think) that they are really dedicated to all of the beauty of the system.

Since DWE I see more the spirit of sharing and this is a really good feeling!
But this is new to me.
So I still don't think this is an expression of egoistic behaviour or something, they simply like to explore more in detail than usually and they play mostly not in a group.

Sure, there are also a lot of exceptions. ;)
 

Arnoldo

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I'm more of a jonker than a 'real' explorer but, on occasion, have tagged everything in a system. Usual behaviour is to tag ELW, WW and the primary (if I tag a shiny). I do find it a little frustrating to find a fully tagged system but only if its a POI such as BP - otherwise, each to their own.. Also, thinks its more OCD than ego
 

Jon474

Banned
Jon474
Arnoldo said:
...thinks its more OCD than ego
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Yes, this. Do you know how hard I have to try not to scan everything? Turning my back on a system where I haven't scanned everything is...just wrong! DW is killing me!

Flying in an OCD-fashion
Jon
T-6E
 

Kitty

Kitty
I wouldn't call myself a cartographer, but when you are 1000's of Ly away from the bubble, it really doesn't matter whether you tag everything or not, as the chances of another person coming across where you have been is pretty slim, especially if you select a route that is not common and decide to visit places away from the usual routes to visit BP, Sag A, etc.

I have now visited 1344 systems and fully tagged 831 of them. At the moment, I am starting to cherry pick which bodies I tag, as I have a goal to reach a certain area and with Engineers coming along soon, I want to be able to return to the bubble and re-equip my ship before going out again, and taking advantage of the new enhancements.

It can take a lot of time to survey every body in a system, and those that do, are the serious cartographers in ED. For me, these are the "real" explorers and others are simply playing at it :p
 

Arnoldo

A
Kitty said:
I wouldn't call myself a cartographer, .....I have now visited 1344 systems and fully tagged 831 of them. ......For me, these are the "real" explorers and others are simply playing at it :p
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Over 50% fully scanned - you're a closet cartographer Kitty ;)
 

Edelgard von Rhein

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In my early days of exploration (up until 1.2) I almost always detail-scanned everything, just to be thorough. In the very beginning, before I owned a ADS and DSS, I used to go exploring with just a basic discovery scanner and still tried to scan everything, belts included. I didn't know what was out there and wanted to see everything. The tags only came in in 1.1, iirc, so it was not a concern for me and I really didn't care about them at first. Then for the Lambda Andromedae CG I went on my first long trip and felt pleased to have been the first to discover a black hole and two Earth-like worlds. Gradually I explored further and scanned less in order to travel the distances I wanted to in good time - the Tsu CG saw me take my Asp to the Crab Nebula and back. In order to make this trip in time, I could not scan everything so I began to cherry-pick systems. My priority has always been to discover new life, so I focused on scanning habitable-zone planets, Earth-like, WW, and Ammonia Worlds and life-bearing gas giants, with Earth-like Worlds top priority. I have always had a rule to scan everything when I find an Earth-like World, no matter how distant (including belts, though now these can be filtered out I often forget). It is my RP-based expectation that returning a complete scan of a system is more useful to potential colonists than an incomplete scan, so that they can assess what resources are present and what the needs and potential requirements of a new colony might be, including possible assets for their economic development (thus I completely scan the system even if there are already tags there). I then found that I had evolved a bucket-list of things that I would like to tag, if only once, just because they are interesting things that I would like to discover (an Earth-like moon is the main one I'm still looking for) but I have managed most of these and consider finding new Earth-likes to instead be an addition to the list that, maybe, one day in the ten-year plan of FD will be deemed fit to host a new colony or outpost.
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I want to contribute to the growth and expansion of humanity into the Milky Way, to find new life and new civilisations and to know that I'm not re-treading ground already explored by many others - if there were no tags we would have no way of knowing if we were covering new ground (with that in mind I sometimes visit distant secondary stars and their planets in semi-interesting systems so that no one else will need to for Universal Cartographics to have the data). I also enjoy seeing other commanders' names out there, even though I am always looking for new things, especially if I know them from Buckyball Racing or these forums. I wonder what stories those commanders might have to tell of how they made their discoveries and what they went through to get the data back. In a few years' time, players heading to Beagle Point might have a 'Sam Gamgee' moment seeing the Baggins tag and go online to learn how a shieldless sidewinder got to BP with no SRV and the help of the Rock Rats...
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TL;DR: I don't think of tags as being about making people famous, I see them as acknowledging a contribution to exploration. If contributing a lot to exploration makes you famous, that's a different matter - but more than tags are required for that.
 

CMDR Space Lurker

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Hm.. not that long ago we saw threads like "What is up with you people only scanning the central star and valuable planets?! You make the galaxy look untidy!!"

I suppose you can't please everyone. :D

Personally, when I scan entire systems down to the last moon orbiting the outermost gas giant around the brown dwarf that orbits 500kLYs away from the central star, I do that to get the feeling of completing the job. Early on I usually did "all or nothing", these days I am more selective.
 

ethelred

ethelred
It makes a nice break sometimes from jumping & honking to take your time and scan everything.

If there is an ELW or WW i usually scan everything just to see what else is in the system.

It's still possible to find stuff within a kylie of the bubble. Just choose and economical route & take your time.
 

Ziggy Stardust

Ziggy Stardust
A fully scanned system looks tidy and neat.

Scanning only the shinies and leaving the iceballs for others, is actually scanning the shinies and cba about the iceballs.
Which comes across kinda selfish ya know? Wouldn't it be polite to let some others get a moon or something with their name on it?
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No. Others will just move on and the moon will orbit lonely and neglected. Other bodies will mock it and taunt it with their tags
 
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newman1702

newman1702
Oh, look, yet another thread about this, was just thinking we didn't have enough :)

Seriously, 400 billion stars, let people have their exploration styles without complaining about it. I know it's not the same if it's closer to the bubble, but the distance you needed to travel from the bubble to find something untagged was always going to keep gradually increasing. There's nothing impolite or wrong about exploring an entire system.

And besides, you can't win here; because on the other end of the spectrum you have others starting threads on "why don't people tag everything, it's not exploring", and "FD should introduce monetary incentives to scanning entire systems".

And you know what? Both sides are wrong. It's a game, let people play it the way they want.


Ziggy Stardust said:
A fully scanned system looks tidy and neat.

Scanning only the shinies and leaving the iceballs for others, is actually scanning the shinies and cba about the iceballs.

No. Others will just move on and the moon will orbit lonely and neglected. Other bodies will mock it and taunt it with their tags
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Pretty much. "He scanned the primary and the ELW, plus the HMC's in the terraformable zone, but oh look he left me that Class III gas giant and the two ice balls. How very polite and non selfish of them" :p
 
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dayrth

Volunteer Moderator
dayrth
I tag everything in a system. I'm exploring. Not proper exploring if you don't look in ever corner. This does mean that it takes me longer to get anywhere though, so although I don't leave anything in the system to be discovered, I do leave more entire systems undiscovered.

Even now it is easy enough to find undiscovered systems 1kly from the bubble and the galaxy is over 100,000 light years across, so we won't run out ant time soon.
 
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newman1702

newman1702
dayrth said:
Not proper exploring if you don't look in ever corner.
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I disagree - there are different types of exploration, and often times it isn't about turning every stone over but about finding a route and reaching a distant location. Typically long range exploration doesn't involve looking in every nook and cranny, a fact that the history of real life great explorers can corroborate time and again.
 
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