Questions about takin, saigas, and some Asian animals. These need to be corrected

[Cooper_yang]

Staff need to fix these problems, otherwise it will be misleading to people who do not know these animals.

1、Takin​

1. Takin are animals that live in relatively high altitude areas. They do live in some relatively warm areas, but the higher altitudes in warm areas are not very hot. They migrate to higher and cooler areas in summer when temperatures rise. I know PZ’s plan for ecological communities, but the suitable temperature range for takin must be corrected. The summer temperature in some zoo locations may exceed 35 degrees Celsius, but zoos that pay attention to animal welfare will equip takin with pools or sprays to cool down. In nature, takin will never stay in places where the temperature exceeds 35 degrees Celsius for a long time. They often start to look for cooler areas when the temperature is higher than 26 degrees Celsius. So please correct this. I think the upper limit is 35 degrees Celsius, or a lower 30 degrees Celsius is more appropriate.
2. There is no doubt that what we have in the game is the Sichuan Takin, if it is a "universal takin" please add coat color variations. If there is no coat color change, please use the accurate name "Sichuan Takin".

2、saiga​

The area where saigas live is very cold in winter, with temperatures often falling below minus 15 degrees Celsius, so they put on thick hair in winter. They are animals that can adapt to cold climates, and the suitable lower limit of temperature can definitely be below minus 5 degrees Celsius, or even minus 10 degrees Celsius. So, please change this data.

3、Giant panda​

I have several manuals on the care and management of captive giant pandas. I know that due to language issues, most people in this community cannot read Chinese, but don't worry, I will translate the key information.

1. Adult giant pandas are solitary animals, whether in the wild or in captivity, with males and females only getting together during the breeding season. Several underage pandas can appear in one habitat, but adult pandas must be kept alone. Please modify the in-game settings.
2. In addition, regarding temperature, I suggest that the lower limit of the optimal temperature can be adjusted to 0 degrees Celsius, or even minus 5 degrees Celsius. Like the takin, the giant panda is an animal that is afraid of heat but not very cold. In its native environment, the average annual temperature does not exceed 10 degrees Celsius. In an environment above 26 degrees Celsius, your heartbeat will speed up and you will feel uncomfortable. However, giant pandas have very good adaptability to cold climates. In captivity, they like to play in the snow very much. At minus ten degrees Celsius, they do not show any discomfort and are still very active. Therefore, this aspect of the game also needs to be modified.
3. The appeal of the giant panda is underestimated, and objectively speaking, it should be in the top three.

4、 Dhole​

The question about dhole is actually about temperature. Dholes are actually very cold-tolerant animals. The EAZA feeding and management manual in my hand can prove this：

https://www.eaza.net/assets/Uploads/CCC/2017-Dhole-EAZA-Best-Practice-Guidelines-Approved.pdf

1. Dholes are extremely adaptable animals and can survive well in both high and low temperatures. Dholes in the game are afraid of the cold, especially when it snows, and the game will frequently sound the alarm. Please correct this. Dholes have excellent adaptability to cold climates and have no problems in an environment of minus 20 degrees Celsius. So, please correct this question.
2. The following are dholes photographed in recent years in the high latitudes of northern China (where winter temperatures often fall below minus 5 degrees Celsius). You can see that they have thick ice in their surroundings, so low temperatures have no effect on them.
   

5、Takin and markhor​

Takin are the same size as markhor? This is ridiculous, please fix this! Takin are much larger than markhor both statistically and visually.

 

[RightWhale]

Something that is also being said is that the Saiga changed its conservation status lately, apparently they are near threatened. I haven’t looked into it myself to verify.

 

[JW97]

Sad to see the Sloth Bear doesnt have any interspecies bonus. You could pair them with Asian small clawed otters and Dholes. And probably more??

 

[Cooper_yang]

Something that is also being said is that the Saiga changed its conservation status lately, apparently they are near threatened. I haven’t looked into it myself to verify.

Yes, they have lowered the "threat level", but I personally do not agree with this adjustment, the genetic diversity of Saiga is not excellent, they still need attention.

 

[Peythur]

Sad to see the Sloth Bear doesnt have any interspecies bonus. You could pair them with Asian small clawed otters and Dholes. And probably more??

just wanted to say you can actually do it, they just won't get any interspecies bonus from it, but it doesn't stop you from doing so

 

[Spiderhawk]

Can you show the range for mute swans and wild boars please
Also aren’t Saigas found in Ukraine at a preserve?

 

[Doran]

Im reading animal requirements and such and these are really random sometimes lol.

 

[Cooper_yang]

I added feedback about pandas and dholes, these issues also need to be fixed.

 

[Erior]

Pandas if anything need a massive popularity boost; lions do not cause a ruckus comparable to what a panda bear does in a zoo.
(I'd also add interspecific bonus with the red panda, and make the red panda walkthrough)

 

[Cooper_yang]

Pandas if anything need a massive popularity boost; lions do not cause a ruckus comparable to what a panda bear does in a zoo.
(I'd also add interspecific bonus with the red panda, and make the red panda walkthrough)

It is probably one of the least objective assumptions that pandas are less attractive than lions, but I was surprised to find that this seems to be so rarely discussed.

 

[Veah]

Staff need to fix these problems, otherwise it will be misleading to people who do not know these animals.

1、Takin

1. Takin are animals that live in relatively high altitude areas. They do live in some relatively warm areas, but the higher altitudes in warm areas are not very hot. They migrate to higher and cooler areas in summer when temperatures rise. I know PZ’s plan for ecological communities, but the suitable temperature range for takin must be corrected. The summer temperature in some zoo locations may exceed 35 degrees Celsius, but zoos that pay attention to animal welfare will equip takin with pools or sprays to cool down. In nature, takin will never stay in places where the temperature exceeds 35 degrees Celsius for a long time. They often start to look for cooler areas when the temperature is higher than 26 degrees Celsius. So please correct this. I think the upper limit is 35 degrees Celsius, or a lower 30 degrees Celsius is more appropriate.
2. There is no doubt that what we have in the game is the Sichuan Takin, if it is a "universal takin" please add coat color variations. If there is no coat color change, please use the accurate name "Sichuan Takin".

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2、saiga

The area where saigas live is very cold in winter, with temperatures often falling below minus 15 degrees Celsius, so they put on thick hair in winter. They are animals that can adapt to cold climates, and the suitable lower limit of temperature can definitely be below minus 5 degrees Celsius, or even minus 10 degrees Celsius. So, please change this data.

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3、Giant panda

I have several manuals on the care and management of captive giant pandas. I know that due to language issues, most people in this community cannot read Chinese, but don't worry, I will translate the key information.
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1. Adult giant pandas are solitary animals, whether in the wild or in captivity, with males and females only getting together during the breeding season. Several underage pandas can appear in one habitat, but adult pandas must be kept alone. Please modify the in-game settings.
2. In addition, regarding temperature, I suggest that the lower limit of the optimal temperature can be adjusted to 0 degrees Celsius, or even minus 5 degrees Celsius. Like the takin, the giant panda is an animal that is afraid of heat but not very cold. In its native environment, the average annual temperature does not exceed 10 degrees Celsius. In an environment above 26 degrees Celsius, your heartbeat will speed up and you will feel uncomfortable. However, giant pandas have very good adaptability to cold climates. In captivity, they like to play in the snow very much. At minus ten degrees Celsius, they do not show any discomfort and are still very active. Therefore, this aspect of the game also needs to be modified.

4、 Dhole

The question about dhole is actually about temperature. Dholes are actually very cold-tolerant animals. The EAZA feeding and management manual in my hand can prove this：

https://www.eaza.net/assets/Uploads/CCC/2017-Dhole-EAZA-Best-Practice-Guidelines-Approved.pdf

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1. Dholes are extremely adaptable animals and can survive well in both high and low temperatures. Dholes in the game are afraid of the cold, especially when it snows, and the game will frequently sound the alarm. Please correct this. Dholes have excellent adaptability to cold climates and have no problems in an environment of minus 20 degrees Celsius. So, please correct this question.
2. The following are dholes photographed in recent years in the high latitudes of northern China (where winter temperatures often fall below minus 5 degrees Celsius). You can see that they have thick ice in their surroundings, so low temperatures have no effect on them.View attachment 377946View attachment 377947

Those are great suggestions, it's interesting noting Frontier's general trend of underestimating cold tolerance.
Also, those pictures of wild dholes are an uncommon treasure, thank you.

Pandas if anything need a massive popularity boost; lions do not cause a ruckus comparable to what a panda bear does in a zoo.
(I'd also add interspecific bonus with the red panda, and make the red panda walkthrough)

Which TBH I have never really understood. They are normally pretty boring and do nothing, people queues just to see them eating or sleeping. Although it's true that the few times they do something they reach astronomical levels of funny cuteness.

 

[Doran]

Those are great suggestions, it's interesting noting Frontier's general trend of underestimating cold tolerance.

I would say they generally overestimate and underestimate these randomly.
I read somewhere upper comfort temperature for sichuan takin is 22C. Above it zoo should provide shelter with shade. Furthemore above 30C takin overheats and it breathing rate increases a hundredfold. In-game takin being able to withstand temperatures straight from the deserts means it's some kind of freak of nature lol.

I will never understand why thermal requirements do not match animal welfare at all. Ya most animals can live in temperatures above and below comfort zones, but it exposes them to stress and diseases. Like for sloth bears it is recommended to provide heated shelter below 5C, but in-game sloth bear can do just as good with freezing temperatures?

 

[Erior]

Which TBH I have never really understood. They are normally pretty boring and do nothing, people queues just to see them eating or sleeping. Although it's true that the few times they do something they reach astronomical levels of funny cuteness.

So, like lions?

It is an issue of being a very iconic animal and a rare one to see at zoos. Carnivorans as a whole will likely be resting.

 

[Veah]

So, like lions?

It is an issue of being a very iconic animal and a rare one to see at zoos. Carnivorans as a whole will likely be resting.

Yeah but as you said, lions are ABC zoo animals but don't have that crazy effect on the public. It's what I don't get, the disproportion of the crowds seeking pandas sleeping and other big carnivores doing the same thing.

 

[Matyej167]

Important suggestions, but the Frontier also must to be add the Europe tag for Saiga, since this animal live in the European part of Russia, too.

 

[Firestar97]

Adult giant pandas are solitary animals, whether in the wild or in captivity, with males and females only getting together during the breeding season. Several underage pandas can appear in one habitat, but adult pandas must be kept alone. Please modify the in-game settings.

I do still have the Theory that some Things for the Giant Panda and the Red Panda were confused with each other. The Social Requirements need to be switched around (I think. Not completely sure at the Moment if Red Pandas can be kept in Groups)

Something that is also being said is that the Saiga changed its conservation status lately, apparently they are near threatened. I haven’t looked into it myself to verify.

They've already mentioned that though. It will be fixed in the next Update

 

[jcp011c]

I would absolutely love for there to be variant floofy Saiga Antelopes. I highly doubt they'll make the coat change for colder weather, so a variant is probably the best we can hope for there. Definitely agree about it being able to withstand very cold temperatures.

Some other good ideas there that I don't have a lot of insight to add into.

The discussion about Giant Panda appeal being higher is something I fully support. Maybe it's just because with what I'm familiar with, in many of the last years, there were only four zoos in the United States that had pandas at all. And very recently that's gone down to one. So a zoo having a Giant Panda is a Big. Deal. Add to that the more complex agreements with China to keep any in the future place, which I am fairly sure is something very similar worldwide. They are icons of conservation. Quite honestly I was shocked their appeal was so low in the game, and have always wanted to see it raised. If not to the highest appeal, at least very near the top.

 

[Cooper_yang]

I decided to continue to update this post on all the problems I found about Asian animals that need to be corrected. I will also collect everyone's opinions and synchronize them into the post.

 

[Spiderhawk]

I noted today how small the Saigas are, I added some to my P horse habitat and it to me seemed really strange.
Are the Saigas really that small or should their height be readjusted?
Haven’t wild boars been reintroduced to the UK?
The dholes in game vs the ones I’ve seen on tv seem very different to the ones in game, almost like frontier wanted the dholes to look like they are only adapt to SEA.

 

[Pentoleaf]

I noted today how small the Saigas are, I added some to my P horse habitat and it to me seemed really strange.
Are the Saigas really that small or should their height be readjusted?
Haven’t wild boars been reintroduced to the UK?
The dholes in game vs the ones I’ve seen on tv seem very different to the ones in game, almost like frontier wanted the dholes to look like they are only adapt to SEA.

They're slightly smaller than the average sheep, so I think it's accurate.