I hope Frontier will listen to your suggestions! Those details need to be corrected.
Questions about takin, saigas, and some Asian animals. These need to be corrected
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I have updated the latest modification requirements.
What are the size genes on the two caprines in your screenshot?
the takin looks bigger in the image you provide.
If I remember correctly, they were both males, and the size gene was 38% and 40% respectively.
It's a little bigger, but not enough.
Hello again, @Cooper_yang. I'm replying to your last message here to keep our specific discussion out of the news thread. As I mentioned, I’m open to continuing the discussion in another thread. I’m not sure if this misunderstanding is due to a language barrier, but I think you may have assumed I didn't want to expand on the topic.
- I believe this misunderstanding also stems from a language barrier. Without scientifically measured data, we can never provide exact figures on the morphometrics of a species. Even with data collected from a few populations, there’s no guarantee it will fully represent the entire species, as there will always be some variation between populations. This is why I wanted to clarify that the rough size ranges I provided were not actual estimates, but rather general bounds where the size ranges of males and females are likely to fall based on the available data. I would never make assumptions or estimates about a species without reliable data. In fact, I was trying to express that I wasn’t making an assumption or even an estimate, regarding the expected size ranges of the two sexes. What I did was a step before the estimate. I suspect this notion was lost due to our language barrier.
- Since the game doesn’t specify any subspecies, I tried to take all data available at the species level, covering both the smallest and largest subspecies. Even within a subspecies, variations exist, as some subpopulations may average larger or smaller due to genetic and environmental factors like food availability and climate. Since size variation in the game is linear, even if the largest individuals are rare in reality, you’d still see a high ratio of larger individuals in-game. For species using the goat mountain, there is no size variation, so this last bit only applies to the takin. For the markhor, only the first part of this point applies.
- Same response as point 1.
- I believe it was mentioned somewhere that size variation would mess with the offsets when animals interact with the goat mountain, so this indeed is a technical limitation. Perhaps with the help of AI, this could be overcome in a sequel. I’m not a game developer, so maybe those more informed in this area could provide additional insight.
I’d like to provide an update on this. I ran some tests in the game with the three species that use the goat mountain (i.e., Alpine ibex, Dall sheep, and markhor) and found that, while the Alpine ibex and markhor don't have size variation, the Dall sheep does. When the Dall sheep was first added to the game, there was no goat mountain; this enrichment item, along with the Dall sheep's suitability for it, was added later. The Dall sheep already had size variation, which it apparently still does. I confirmed this by checking both the info tabs and the actual model sizes, visually comparing them.
While the Alpine ibex and markhor models align perfectly with the goat mountain, some sizes of the Dall sheep appear to float slightly. I’ve attached an image below showing the floating issue. Although the offset issue is minor, it does exist.
They fixed the appearance issues of the giant pandas, but are unwilling to change the setting of being able to be "raised in groups". I don't know how to evaluate this.