Quetzalcoatlus in JW Dominion and JWE II is mostlikely based on 2 new "strange " 1/1 Modells with muuuuch to bg head !

[Dinotracker]

The 2 Strange modells I describe here are one in standing and one in flying pose at the Field museum of chicago (USA).
In This picture you can se n the left that the new standing Modell of the Quetzalcoatlus has the right proportions for the wings/arms legs body and Neck in relation to the skellet restruktion.
( A bit on the heavy bodybuilder side compared to the much slender modell which is a bit older and stands in some European museums. )
BUT the head which is 2m in lenght on most 1/1 modells of Qutzalcoatlus ( with 10-12m wingspann) like the skull you can see in the background is over 3M long in the new Modell !!!
That´s just redicules oversized and would belong to an Quetzalcoatlus with 18m wingspann !
That´s reall a shame and a sad proof that bigger is NOT always better ....espacially if someone shows 2 of this "freekmodels" in an real museum !
let me know what you think !

At least the JW Dominon Quetzal and as such our JWE II Quetzal is oversized to 16-18m , but has the right proportions between head and the rest of the body !!!

 

[LordTrilobite]

The 2 Strange modells I describe here are one in standing and one in flying pose at the Field museum of chicago (USA).
In This picture you can se n the left that the new standing Modell of the Quetzalcoatlus has the right proportions for the wings/arms legs body and Neck in relation to the skellet restruktion.
( A bit on the heavy bodybuilder side compared to the much slender modell which is a bit older and stands in some European museums. )
BUT the head which is 2m in lenght on most 1/1 modells of Qutzalcoatlus ( with 10-12m wingspann) like the skull you can see in the background is over 3M long in the new Modell !!!
That´s just redicules oversized and would belong to an Quetzalcoatlus with 18m wingspann !
That´s reall a shame and a sad proof that bigger is NOT always better ....espacially if someone shows 2 of this "freekmodels" in an real museum !
let me know what you think !
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At least the JW Dominon Quetzal and as such our JWE II Quetzal is oversized to 16-18m , but has the right proportions between head and the rest of the body !!!View attachment 314891

That skeletal image is from David Peters. A known crank that spreads a lot of misinformation. You shouldn't ever use his skeletals as reference. They are not reliable. He invents anatomy that simply is not there on the actual fossils and the proportions also often do not properly match.

 

[Dinotracker]

That skeletal image is from David Peters. A known crank that spreads a lot of misinformation. You shouldn't ever use his skeletals as reference. They are not reliable. He invents anatomy that simply is not there on the actual fossils and the proportions also often do not properly match.

Sorry, you should better do your homework right and not tell other people what they should write or not !
Its not important from who the skeletal image exactly is, because what matters is that the proportions of head to body are correct in it for the skellet, as you would know, if you would have been in a lot of Museums and seen Skeletreconstructions and 1/1 modells of Quetzalcoatlus with your own eyes!

The size of the JW Dominion Quetzalcoatlus is much to big (even in JWE II ) compared to scientific estimations ( 18 m wingspann (JWE II) vs 12 m wingspann (Rekonstruktions).

The good news is that at least the proportions of the JWE Dominion Quetzal are OK. Its head to body ratio is correct.
The bad news, the 2 Modells at the field museum of chicago are simply bad made "monsters" with 3m long heads for modells with 12m wingspann Modells.
The skull of a 12m wingspan Quetzalcoatlus is more or less 2 m in lenght in ALL scientific accurate skeletal reconstruktions !
The neck is longer than the skull on correct models,..... you can see that in the lake picture above with the 4 Quetzalcoatlus.

This picture below shows the scientific accurate size, as well as the around 2m long head for Quetzalcoatlus.
An Quettzal of this size could kill a human and feed on them, but never swallow him as a whole like the 18m Moviestar we have now in JWE II.
For a 6 Ton T-Rex that looks correct, but for a 250kg lightwight giant pterosaur with very thin bones it looks just like overkill.
Even in the movie they did not show such a stupid scene !
The most stupid animation of the JWE Dominion is an 250kg Quetzal killing an 2 T Parrasaurolophus by throw down and than stapp to death.
In reality the skull of the Quetzal would simply break under the stress of the forces.
in short ....Quetzal would kill it self and a "smiling" Parasaurolophus would just walk away.
I build RC planes up to 20kg weight and 5 m wingspann for allmost 30 years. Pterosaurbones are extreme leight build and can hold up forces in some directions very well, but if you use force in a direction of the single bone it is not build for it just breaks instant.

 

[LordTrilobite]

Sorry, you should better do your homework right and not tell other people what they should write or not !
Its not important from who the skeletal image exactly is, because what matters is that the proportions of head to body are correct in it for the skellet, as you would know, if you would have been in a lot of Museums and seen Skeletreconstructions and 1/1 modells of Quetzalcoatlus with your own eyes!

Excuse me? Everything I said in my previous post is correct. Skeletal images by David Peters cannot be trusted to have accurate proportions. So yes, it definitely does matter if that skeletal image is used. It's unreliable and cannot be used to make any conclusion. His images are just misinformation.

And I did not comment on museum models or the proportions of the JW Quetzalcoatlus. I only stated that you should not use any reference made by David Peters.

 

[Dinotracker]

3 Simple Facts.
1. The proportions of the 2 1/1 Modells in the Field museum of chicago are very strange of! around 2m lenght for the skull of a Quetzalcoatlus with 12m wingspann would be correct coresponding to every scientiffic description!
2. The 3m Long skull of this modells would belong to individuals of 18m Wingspann !
3. Sadly the JW E II Quetzalcoatlus has the right proportions of skull to body and wings, but is 150% the size of the biggest real fossils.
It has 3m Length of skull and 18m Winspan which is allmost the size of the "Moviemonster" in Dominion and muuuuuuch to big to fit right in JWE II !

Please frontier, I´m a fan of Quetzalcoatlus since 1990 and would be really happy, if you would consider to downscale it to more realistic 12m Wingspan, or at least making one variant of this "scale" size .
The Mosasaurus in JWE II is with 18m allmost spott on scale in comparision to the exrtem oversized 26m - 50 m (depending on the scene) Mosasaurus of JW , JWFK and JWD!
So if Frontier made with the Mosa the right choice, why that moviemonster of 18m Quetzalcoatlus in JWE II ???
Do You like the " Moviemonster 18m Wingspann Quetzalcoatlus " more than a realistic one with 12mwingspann ?

 

[MarcWP]

Pretty much none of the dinosaurs in this franchise are realistic. Unfortunately.

 

[Dinotracker]

Pretty much none of the dinosaurs in this franchise are realistic. Unfortunately.

Thats not true ! ... most are at least in a reasonable size Range to be realistic ! Triceratops, Parasauroluphus, Gallimimus,....etc.....etc.
Espacially most oft the Pterosaurs ( except of Dimorphodon and Quetzalcoatlus) and Marinie Reptiles are very well realistic in size .
The Raptors are to big vor Velocriaptors, but the Raptors of JP were originally designed to be Deinonychus, what matches that Alan Grand finds some Fossils of them in Montana in the MOVIE . Velociraptors were never found in Montana !
While Deinonchus is still a bit smaller than the JP/JW raptors there was found a allmost perfect match of them in Dakota !
The Dakota raptor was up to 5 m long and 2M high.
The Diplophosaurs was 6m in the Novel long, but spielberg choose to make him only 3m becourse he doesn´t want the people to confound him with the Raptors .

 

[MarcWP]

Thats not true ! ... most are at least in a reasonable size Range to be realistic ! Triceratops, Parasauroluphus, Gallimimus,....etc.....etc.
Espacially most oft the Pterosaurs ( except of Dimorphodon and Quetzalcoatlus) and Marinie Reptiles are very well realistic in size .
The Raptors are to big vor Velocriaptors, but the Raptors of JP were originally designed to be Deinonychus, what matches that Alan Grand finds some Fossils of them in Montana in the MOVIE . Velociraptors were never found in Montana !
While Deinonchus is still a bit smaller than the JP/JW raptors there was found a allmost perfect match of them in Dakota !
The Dakota raptor was up to 5 m long and 2M high.
The Diplophosaurs was 6m in the Novel long, but spielberg choose to make him only 3m becourse he doesn´t want the people to confound him with the Raptors .
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Exactly. Gallimimus lacks feathers. Pteranodons have teeth. Mosasaur is ridiculously big. Raptors are way oversized compared to all the fossils we had back then. Including Deinonychus. Dilo is way too small and has venom and a frill. Quetzal the size of an airplane... Everything regarding the animals in this franchise are partially absurd.

 

[Dinotracker]

Exactly. Gallimimus lacks feathers. Pteranodons have teeth. Mosasaur is ridiculously big. Raptors are way oversized compared to all the fossils we had back then. Including Deinonychus. Dilo is way too small and has venom and a frill. Quetzal the size of an airplane... Everything regarding the animals in this franchise are partially absurd.

some excellent preserved New Fossils show, that not all Theropods were feathered ! And feathered or not could be an Skin option so that every bodys is happy.
Mosasaurus in JWE 2 is 18m in lenght which is allmost exact the size of the biggest fossil evidence ( around 17m) . As writen above the are raptors which fit the JP/ JW ones allmost exactly in size,.... velociraptor is much smaller ...thats true, but spielberg only chose this name because he thought it would sound cooler and fitt the "Dinosaurs are like 2m high birds speech " of Alan grand in JP I . Dilo is way to small ....true, but in the novel it has the right size and no frill. The venom is hypothetical, but todays biggesd Monitor Lizards , The Comodo Dragon has in fact a poisenous bite and venom ! So it´s not that out of the world, that some dinosaurs had a Poisenous Bite.
I can live with those smaller inaccuracies , but the Quetzal the size of a big plane and the super power to throw around 2,5 T Parasaurolophus like a doll .... ...thats to much and I don´t get it why frontier made this ridiculus animations for it for pray of that size.

 

[NanoLancensis]

As aforementioned, the skeletal used to represent Quetzalcoatlus in the first post comes from an extremely untrustworthy source of pterosaur info; the ones below aren't necessarily perfect, either, but they're leagues more reliable than just about anything from Peters

Spoiler: Putting under a spoiler marker for space conservation, both images by Mark Witton

(the right skeletal is probably more reliable than the one on the left)

Comparing the JWE2/by extension the Dominion quetz to these skeletals of Quetzalcoatlus in Blender, the only real big issues with the design (barring how ridiculously massive it is) are the wings being too big (yes, really), the neck being too short and the head being a little too big - I'd argue Quetzalcoatlus having a big head is one of its main traits so I can pass that off as good stylization. It's surprising just how solid the quetz is design-wise.