Ramification of pending war and pending expansion

Maddox2112

Maddox2112
I tried to find this answer in previous threads but it seemed unclear.

If I have a minor faction in one system pending expansion, and that same faction in another system gets into a conflict at the same time will that screw up the expansion. Thanks.
 

Mrjupp

Mrjupp
It has changed immensely. Multiple Wars and Elections, multiple States. Up to three things at a time, so wars, elections, pending expansion at same time all possible.
 

Nepeta Uchiha

Nepeta Uchiha
The old BGS would cancel any expansions if you went into a conflict in any of your systems. Now I believe the system doing the expansion has to enter a conflict to end the expansion but that's so hard to do that it'll never happen. Also once one system hit's expansion all systems owned will display the expansion state even tho only the system that triggers it will be used for the expansion.
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
Nepeta Uchiha said:
Now I believe the system doing the expansion has to enter a conflict to end the expansion but that's so hard to do that it'll never happen
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Not even that works. And it happens a fair bit - you've got almost two weeks to get a faction down from 75% to crossover, after all, so in deliberate conflicts it's a useful tactic: even if your opponent wins the war, paying the expansion tax mid-way through will mean you get a second attempt at it.

What might work is retreating the faction from the system entirely before the expansion completes. I think there's theoretically just enough time to do that in a system which is absolutely superbly prepared for it, but never in practice.
 

Nepeta Uchiha

Nepeta Uchiha
Ian Doncaster said:
Not even that works. And it happens a fair bit - you've got almost two weeks to get a faction down from 75% to crossover, after all, so in deliberate conflicts it's a useful tactic: even if your opponent wins the war, paying the expansion tax mid-way through will mean you get a second attempt at it.

What might work is retreating the faction from the system entirely before the expansion completes. I think there's theoretically just enough time to do that in a system which is absolutely superbly prepared for it, but never in practice.
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Expansion, Retreat & All Conflict states share the same state slot so only one can happen at once with Conflicts being priority 1. If you do see any faction in a Expansion plus conflict that's because Expansion state shows up for every system that faction is in so you can even see a Retreat Expansion.

Also to get a system from 75% down to the low 40's to high 30's in under two weeks needs many people flawlessly working BGS or the system has an extremely low population.
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
Nepeta Uchiha said:
Expansion, Retreat & All Conflict states share the same state slot so only one can happen at once with Conflicts being priority 1. If you do see any faction in a Expansion plus conflict that's because Expansion state shows up for every system that faction is in so you can even see a Retreat Expansion.
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Expansion and Retreat possibly share the same slot - no-one has managed to get a faction down to Retreat threshold while still in active Expansion, because it ends up in conflict in the meantime, so it's a little hard to say (though in practice doesn't matter)

Expansion and Conflict can definitely happen at the same time, because the expansion tax can be paid during the conflict lock to lead to very wide in-conflict influence separation (and the expansion tax is only paid from the source system). For example:
Explorers' Nation were clearly expanding 30 July - 5 August from Union, because it's the only system which got above 75% (25 July, 5 days pending) to cause the expansion ... and for further proof 5-6 August they take the expansion tax in Union (where the War is at the time) during the War state. Nothing else can cause a 15% one-day influence movement during a conflict lock.

Nepeta Uchiha said:
Also to get a system from 75% down to the low 40's to high 30's in under two weeks needs many people flawlessly working BGS or the system has an extremely low population.
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Certainly much easier with a lower population, but we may be considering different things to be "extremely low". There'd be plenty of time to spare in a million-population system, and that's around half of them.
 
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