your patience sickens me, but then again im not you... thank the lord
Rantings of a Fanboy
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your patience sickens me, but then again im not you... thank the lord
Condescending is just one of the things wrong with that post, and the ill mannered adolescent who posted it.
What these "children" of the "Perpetual Beta" generation of video games fail to understand is that we older gamers remember a time when video games came out of the retail box FULLY functional without the need for weeks and months worth of patches and updates to make them playable.
I guess when you grow up in a world full of mediocrity, you just assume that it has always been that way.
News flash! Most of us in here remember a time when games just worked, and you were not forced to wait 4-6 months for broken features to be fixed.
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As much as I agree with OP there was one thing that stood out I can't (always) agree with. You can't blame a QA team for passed bugs/glitches. They're not the ones that give the go ahead. Not to mention the absurd amount of variables for each bug making it hard to catch sneaky ones that say only effect a certain piece of hardware.
I used to do QA as well so forgive my little white knighting.
I used to do QA as well so forgive my little white knighting.
Not a problem. I work in the industry too and what I do expect them to catch are mission types that just do not work at all. I do agree that software can be tricky to test but a simple play test of certain content would of revealed a glaring hole.
Every system can be improved on and tightened up. I wonder if FD are using an ISO approved standard or are just winging it...
I agree with OP as well, especially on the issue of finishing and polishing the existing content. If you read through the design documents and discussions (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=36) it quickly becomes apparent that Frontier has great ideas and has just as long a wishlist as all the posters here who rant, complain and, like the OP, try to point out that they care about the game but would like to see certain things improved upon.
I started a small document listing all the awkwardness and nonsense I am finding while doing missions. I am enjoying the game, and trying to see it from as many sides as I can, but through that a lot of what the OP says becomes apparent. I find that a lot of the game lacks gameplay and just a shell of content. I was rather disappointed watching the 'Join the Elite' livestream on exploration last week, watching Michael Brooks glance over a question about grinding when so much of the game comes down to it: donations missions for ranking, bounty hunting for money, honking at stars for exploration.
I would like to see FD acknowledge and address a lot of the comments on these forums which point out that the game needs fleshing out in many areas. As the OP states (I think) nobody here minds waiting for updates as long we can see that the update that is being worked on reflects at least some of the concerns voiced by the community. I understand that FD still want to add so much to the game, but there should really start things about improving it as well.
I started a small document listing all the awkwardness and nonsense I am finding while doing missions. I am enjoying the game, and trying to see it from as many sides as I can, but through that a lot of what the OP says becomes apparent. I find that a lot of the game lacks gameplay and just a shell of content. I was rather disappointed watching the 'Join the Elite' livestream on exploration last week, watching Michael Brooks glance over a question about grinding when so much of the game comes down to it: donations missions for ranking, bounty hunting for money, honking at stars for exploration.
I would like to see FD acknowledge and address a lot of the comments on these forums which point out that the game needs fleshing out in many areas. As the OP states (I think) nobody here minds waiting for updates as long we can see that the update that is being worked on reflects at least some of the concerns voiced by the community. I understand that FD still want to add so much to the game, but there should really start things about improving it as well.
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Bran, I think FDev might be trying to appease you. There is a star system (with just a scoop-able "M" class star) called "Bran"!
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seconded, the core problems are at 3 points to deliver the quality contents
A) time (time is money, you know)
B) Test set definition (its all about to reflect what can happen as positive and false testing). Complete test sets are rare. Developers have n test cases, users n+1 scenarios
C) proper test execution (To test is effort and cost only, if something is not fully passed or maybe cuase a glitch just move on DON'T HURT THE DEADLINE)
Regards,
Miklos
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I saw it a while back and was so excited but a little disappointed to find it just has two stars however I do pass through it at least once a week while I'm back in the bubble.
On a different note:
Folks, please lay off Bananas_Are_Good_For_You. I know we are all entitled to our own opinions and he is just expressing his. He is a valued member of this community, as we all are, and he brings a lot of colour and fun to the forums.
His post was towards me, I have already accepted it and said thanks, that's all that needs to be said on the matter.
Thanks!
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TWO stars? I only saw one when I was there (and I do have an ADS fitted)! I shall have to go back and check. I shall also have to search to see if there is one called "Tru", your ship brother. I doubt if there is one with his full name (not that I can remember it; I would have to look it up).
'Would have'... A glaring error that should have been picked up
Semantics, but as I also said - Every system can be improved on. For instance, you could of/have (multiple choice just for you) finished your sentence with a full stop.
Hey Bran
Thanks Jypson. Written out of passion for the game rather than anger.
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I have to agree. I have a few simple points of my own as I have communicated them often enough around the forum.
I treat Elite as an excellent VR experience and am fond of watching it develop. But as a game it has so many dysfunctional and disconnected systems that are not fleshed out enough - not even remotely enough.
The flight model is great but the grind to experience the flight model in all the different ships is not challenging enough to engage me and not deep enough to interest me. (Self imposed difficulty notwithstanding).
I think anyone who thinks the game requires brain power (presuming that they mean, more brain power than other games?) is out of their mind - it takes more brain power to make a cup of tea. The systems are simple, they are also obscure and clearly this obscurity is making people believe that they require an intellectual to decipher. Not brain power, just quick observation, trial and error investigation and too often than not a trip to the forums or youtube to make certain what you are experiencing is intended and not a bug.
And for everyone that thinks you need to introduce your own narrative and imagine: that's what game designers are paid for. Imagining a game that doesn't exist does not plug the holes in the game itself. And this is coming from the person who sits in VR, engines and systems off, floating around outside of stations pretending that I'm stranded and running out of oxygen.
Sometimes I have to wonder whether Elite itself is stranded and running out of oxygen.
As a side note - what I hoped would keep me entertained from Horizons release - combat on planets in ships (NPCs) - didn't actually exist (although I didn't learn this until after preordering and thought what the hell). For this reason I haven't really played Horizons at all, which is a shame - and it is affecting my future purchase. I don't intend to buy the next expansion (season? -_-) *until a sale* unless it includes it.
I treat Elite as an excellent VR experience and am fond of watching it develop. But as a game it has so many dysfunctional and disconnected systems that are not fleshed out enough - not even remotely enough.
The flight model is great but the grind to experience the flight model in all the different ships is not challenging enough to engage me and not deep enough to interest me. (Self imposed difficulty notwithstanding).
I think anyone who thinks the game requires brain power (presuming that they mean, more brain power than other games?) is out of their mind - it takes more brain power to make a cup of tea. The systems are simple, they are also obscure and clearly this obscurity is making people believe that they require an intellectual to decipher. Not brain power, just quick observation, trial and error investigation and too often than not a trip to the forums or youtube to make certain what you are experiencing is intended and not a bug.
And for everyone that thinks you need to introduce your own narrative and imagine: that's what game designers are paid for. Imagining a game that doesn't exist does not plug the holes in the game itself. And this is coming from the person who sits in VR, engines and systems off, floating around outside of stations pretending that I'm stranded and running out of oxygen.
Sometimes I have to wonder whether Elite itself is stranded and running out of oxygen.
As a side note - what I hoped would keep me entertained from Horizons release - combat on planets in ships (NPCs) - didn't actually exist (although I didn't learn this until after preordering and thought what the hell). For this reason I haven't really played Horizons at all, which is a shame - and it is affecting my future purchase. I don't intend to buy the next expansion (season? -_-) *until a sale* unless it includes it.
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Not all my posts in this thread were directed at you, to be fair Bran.
But, I feel I should explain my actions.
I do not see the merit in dragging up a week or more's worth of forum complaints in one single post. All this does is lend itself to what happened here. Just loads of people agreeing that these things could be better...but this thread lacks focus on any particular issue raised. Sure, you'll get a lot of Rep for putting it into one post but you also nerfed any real discussion on any of the points you raised.
That's not productive.
So, I pulled you for it. Love, defend or hate me it needed to be said.
They'd already pushed back the date for 2.1 before you made the post as well.
And lo and behold, you created a whine thread where nothing good came out of it.
GG!
It's not personal Bran, just I think you did this all wrong.
I don't mind the Human hate either...it's easy to hate, far harder to care.
I'm a Banana, reason how that's relative.
