Rare Comodities Trade #theSTRUGGLE

CMDR ONI Vox

CMDR ONI Vox
The struggle is real.
So I decided to try my hand at trading. Its not going well. :(

Bulk trades - I fall asleep at my HOTAS doing this. The grind is mind numbing.
Smuggling - Haven't got the fortitude for this yet. Soon though. Need a Millennium Falcon 1st.:cool:
Rare trade - Liked the idea. smaller quantity but higher reward. Just takes some searching out those rarest goods.

So I fully realize the word RARE is right in the title, BUT there are a few things that I just do not fathom.:S


I found myself a nice little 4 system loop to collect 5 different rare goods. Collected them on the 1st go round with a total of about 30 tons of cargo.
2nd loop almost no goods. Total of about 12 more for a grand total of 42 tons. Okay that's good.
Dropped them off for a nice profit. Grabbed some local rares and headed back to my little loop.
Okay 2nd trip 1st loop - almost nothing. Total of about 16 tons.:(
2nd trip 2nd loop - 1 item:(
Decided Id sleep on it. 12 hours later 2nd trip 3rd loop - NOTHING:S
Really? Nothing? Yep not a single rare. Iv looked through the forums and most all time related posts say wait 10min for restock.
?!?!?! I waited 12+ hours?!?!:mad:
Okay okay calm down. Good. Now wait in game for a bit. Maybe you have to be in game.
Sounds legit.
2 hours of waiting in game and still NOTHING. At any of the 4 systems.:S
I just don't get it. How does restock work?
Seems like I must just move on to other grounds. Maybe try back in a week?
IDK
Any Information, advice or other is greatly appreciated.
Fly safe CMDR's. May you have better luck than I. Godspeed o7
 
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Carradin

Carradin
As it happens, I spent a while doing rare trading back in my Cobra days. Assuming this still holds, a good route is between the Lave cluster (Lave, Leesti, Diso, Orrere, Zaonce, Uzsaa) and a small collection route starting in Witchhaul and going through Fujin, 39 Tauri, Zeessee and George Pantazis. In a Cobra, a single run through each end's systems will usually get you 32t-36t of rares, which fits the cargo capacity nicely. In a bigger ship, you could do two rounds for 70ish tons.

If I remember right, there's one or two other systems at the Witchhaul end that also have rares, but I never bothered since I didn't have the cargo capacity to make it worthwhile. You can check the rares section of http://www.elitetradingtool.co.uk/ if you want to look into that.

[Edit] Restock works as follows: Each station that sells a rare commodity has a limited allotment that you can never exceed. So if, say, Lave has an allotment of 5t, and you have 5t in your cargo bay already, more will never spawn until you sell off those 5t. Hence why you need to do a collection route to make it profitable. The rare goods do repspawn until you reach the allotment, but it is quite slow - expect to wait at least 15 minutes in most places if you just sit there, and it may only spawn a couple per cycle.
 
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CMDR ONI Vox

CMDR ONI Vox
Why thank you CMDR Carradin! You are a veritable fountain of information.:)
Im going to check out the rout you suggested. As I plan to swap from a Type 6 (I think. the 1st big hauler anyhow. 112ton max with no shield.)
to a Diamondback Explorer for rare trading, your rout should work nicely.
Well Im off to try this out!
Thanks again. Godspeed CMDR o7:cool:
 

Chance-

Chance-
CMDR ONI Vox said:
Why thank you CMDR Carradin! You are a veritable fountain of information.:)
Im going to check out the rout you suggested. As I plan to swap from a Type 6 (I think. the 1st big hauler anyhow. 112ton max with no shield.)
to a Diamondback Explorer for rare trading, your rout should work nicely.
Well Im off to try this out!
Thanks again. Godspeed CMDR o7:cool:
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0) Wolf 1301 - Saunders Dive <NO BUY>
1) Fujin - Futen Starport
2) 39 Tauri - Porta
3) George Pantazis - Zamka Platform
4) Zeessze - Nicollier Hanger
5) Altair - Solo Orbiter
6) Epsilon Indi - Mansfield Orbiter
7) Sanuma - Dunyach Gateway <SELL>


0) Sanuma - Dunyach Gateway <BUY>
1) Lave - Lave Station
2) Leesti - George Lucas
3) Diso - Shinfnalport
4) Uszaa - Guest Installation
5) Orrere- Sharon Lee Free Market
6) Wolf 1301 - Saunders Dive <SELL>
 

CMDR ONI Vox

CMDR ONI Vox
Why thank you CMDR Chance-! :D
I'm going to try this rout as well as the other suggested.:cool:
Question for you specifically though: what do you think of the Diamondback ships? And suggestion for good smuggler.:)
Thanks again CMDR! Godspeed o7
 

Carradin

Carradin
The Diamondbacks are among the best ships in their size range. Excellent range, decent cargo capacity, speed and agility, and good hardpoints for their size. Scout is a bit light on internal space for my liking, and that does hurt its versatility, but it remains a good ship - You just can't make it do everything at once like you can, say, a Cobra or the Explorer version.

For smuggling, I'd go for speed above all else. Max out thrusters, go for the lightest modules for all other slots, and even weapons are optional: You aim to avoid any opposition (they might scan you, which is bad when smuggling), and get in and out of starports before anyone has a chance to take a closer look at you. Both Diamondbacks can do the job, but Cobra is probably the best ship for the role in that size range due to an amazing boost speed.
 

Garagiste

Garagiste
Two of my most used bookmarks:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=84884&highlight=rares
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=63119&highlight=rare+list

Point to point in a Cobra (never tried the Scout) , the loop in a T6. Hasn't made me 'Conda cash, but I don't grind I prefer to take it easy, get back to start point and mix it with some pew-pew.
Top Tip: If you're doing point to point, vary the stations that you sell at, does wonders for rep.
Some of the rares are not welcome at some systems, so if you're at the Lave end do Leesti last as the Evil Juice can get you in trouble locally, but seems to be fine at the Witchhaul end. Opposite applies for Wolf Fesh and those old weapons from wherever I haven't been for ages.
I absolutely detest Gin, but the stuff from Bast tastes like Pimm's! ;)
 

CMDR ONI Vox

CMDR ONI Vox
Carradin said:
The Diamondbacks are among the best ships in their size range. Excellent range, decent cargo capacity, speed and agility, and good hardpoints for their size. Scout is a bit light on internal space for my liking, and that does hurt its versatility, but it remains a good ship - You just can't make it do everything at once like you can, say, a Cobra or the Explorer version.

For smuggling, I'd go for speed above all else. Max out thrusters, go for the lightest modules for all other slots, and even weapons are optional: You aim to avoid any opposition (they might scan you, which is bad when smuggling), and get in and out of starports before anyone has a chance to take a closer look at you. Both Diamondbacks can do the job, but Cobra is probably the best ship for the role in that size range due to an amazing boost speed.
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Thanks again CMDR Carradin!:D
Grabbed myself the DB Expl. Kitted it out for smuggling. 44 tons cargo not 52 because I refuse to fly without shields. ;)
Obviously less total cargo space than my old T6, but I have more fun in the DB. I like docking. Its about the most fun part of this game. Flying in close quarters. Really looking forward to planetary landings.
Hopefully there will be city's, towns, mountains, canyons to fly around. Would also like larger space stations to fly around. Sorta like StarTrek deep space 9. Just a thought.:)
Anyhow, got a little off topic but I like the DB Expl. Nippy little ship.:cool:

Thanks again CMDR! Godspeed o7:)
 

CMDR ONI Vox

CMDR ONI Vox
Chance- said:
0) Wolf 1301 - Saunders Dive <NO BUY>
1) Fujin - Futen Starport
2) 39 Tauri - Porta
3) George Pantazis - Zamka Platform
4) Zeessze - Nicollier Hanger
5) Altair - Solo Orbiter
6) Epsilon Indi - Mansfield Orbiter
7) Sanuma - Dunyach Gateway <SELL>


0) Sanuma - Dunyach Gateway <BUY>
1) Lave - Lave Station
2) Leesti - George Lucas
3) Diso - Shinfnalport
4) Uszaa - Guest Installation
5) Orrere- Sharon Lee Free Market
6) Wolf 1301 - Saunders Dive <SELL>
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Thanks CMDR Chance-!:D
Tried this out last night. As I have a smaller total cargo space, I cut out some of the stops.:)
Seems like total you could get about 60+ tons cargo with the full rout though.
That's really good. :)
.
I'm running the following rout:
Sell, Wolf 1301 - Saunder's Dive. <nothing to buy but its Anarchy so everything sells>
Buy, 39 Tauri - Porta - chimes.
Buy, George Pantazis - Zamka - pantaa sticks.
Buy, Zeessze - Nicollier - glue.
Buy, Altair - Solo - skin.
<travel>
Sell/Buy, Sanuma - Dunyach - meat.
Buy, Lave - Lave - brandy.
Buy, Leesti - George Lucas - milk, evil juice.
Buy, Diso - Shinfnalport - corn.
<travel>
Sell, Wolf 1301 - Saunder's Dive - to restart the tour again :cool:
.
Makes about $750k at each end. Really nice time to $ ratio. And with the DB Expl's big fuel tank, I don't have to stop for fuel :D

Thanks again CMDR Chance-. Godspeed o7:)
 
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Brujah

Brujah
Also remember that some rares are still considered illicit cargo in some areas.

For instance Leesti Evil Juice is, I think, prohibited in Corporate stations.

So you have to bear that in mind when dropping off/picking up cargo during your route.
 

CMDR ONI Vox

CMDR ONI Vox
Garagiste said:
Two of my most used bookmarks:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=84884&highlight=rares
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=63119&highlight=rare+list

Point to point in a Cobra (never tried the Scout) , the loop in a T6. Hasn't made me 'Conda cash, but I don't grind I prefer to take it easy, get back to start point and mix it with some pew-pew.
Top Tip: If you're doing point to point, vary the stations that you sell at, does wonders for rep.
Some of the rares are not welcome at some systems, so if you're at the Lave end do Leesti last as the Evil Juice can get you in trouble locally, but seems to be fine at the Witchhaul end. Opposite applies for Wolf Fesh and those old weapons from wherever I haven't been for ages.
I absolutely detest Gin, but the stuff from Bast tastes like Pimm's! ;)
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Why thank you CMDR Garagiste!:cool:
I will defiantly be spreading the love around lulz:D
Godspeed CMDR! o7:)

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Soulwind said:
Also remember that Lave and surrounding systems are a huge pirate hunting grounds
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Thanks CMDR Soulwind.
However, I play in solo until the hacking cheaters are gone;)
Godspeed CMDR! o7:)

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Brujah said:
Also remember that some rares are still considered illicit cargo in some areas.

For instance Leesti Evil Juice is, I think, prohibited in Corporate stations.

So you have to bear that in mind when dropping off/picking up cargo during your route.
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Thanks CMDR Brujah.
Noticed the illicit cargo notice pop up a few times, but I failed to note what the system type was. I'll deffinatly keep a look out in the future!:cool:
Godspeed CMDR! o7:)
 

tetra

tetra
Think everybody has run rares at some point in their Elite career path, I used to make little graphics for myself for various runs based on info found around the community. This is one I used for a while when I ran rares in an ASP, 178 Max tons for the route, purple texts are buys, red texts are sells, numbers in the circles are the total rares you are allowed per run of that type, numbers on the lines are distances. Start at Leesti, if you have a smaller cargo capacity you can skip some stops or just take that as an advantage of not having to wait for them to res-pawn until you get max capacity.

ASP_TRADE_ROUTE.jpg
 

CMDR ONI Vox

CMDR ONI Vox
tetra said:
Think everybody has run rares at some point in their Elite career path, I used to make little graphics for myself for various runs based on info found around the community. This is one I used for a while when I ran rares in an ASP, 178 Max tons for the route, purple texts are buys, red texts are sells, numbers in the circles are the total rares you are allowed per run of that type, numbers on the lines are distances. Start at Leesti, if you have a smaller cargo capacity you can skip some stops or just take that as an advantage of not having to wait for them to res-pawn until you get max capacity.

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Ello there CMDR Tetra!:D
I hope you do not mind but im totally going to steal that graphic!:cool:
As I plan to eventually get an Asp, this will totally save me having to formulate a new route.
From myself and the others who may use this, Thank you!;)

Godspeed CMDR! o7:)
 

nosscar

nosscar
heres a big list. numbers are price and distance from Lave.
far right numbers are distance in ls to station from sun.

Lavian Brandy 3500 0 Lave (Lave Station) 293 Alliance
Diso Ma Corn 335 3.59 Diso (Shifnalport) 284 Alliance
Leestian Evil Juice 457 3.91 Leesti (George Lucas) 270 Alliance
Azure Milk 4123 3.91 Leesti (George Lucas) 270 Alliance
Leathery Eggs 23115 5.22 Zaonce (Ridley Scott) 370 Alliance
Uszaian tree grub 965 7.98 Uszaa (Guest Installation) 4350 Independent
Orrerian Vicious Brew 533 9.15 Orrere (Sharon Lee Free Market) 960 Independent
Korro Kung Pellets 240 39.81 Korro Kung (Lonchakov Orbital) 620000 Federation
Jaradharre Puzzle Box 12706 47.6 Jaradharre (Gohar Station) 526178 Federation
Waters of Shintara 7495 57.2 Shinrarta Dezhra (Jameson Memorial) 346 Independent
Anduliga Fire Works 891 67.96 Anduliga (Celsius Estate) 619673 Empire
Mokojing Beast Feast 2681 71.65 Mokojing (Noli Terminal) 539400 Independent
CD-75 Kitten Brand Coffee 2373 73.36 CD-75 661 (Kirk Dock) 339 Empire
Burnham Bile Distillate 806 74.67 HIP 59533 (Burnham Beacon) 529325 Independent
Sanuma Decorative Meat 860 79.15 Sanuma (Dunyach Gateway) 6000 Independent
Medb Starlube 416 82.96 Medb (Vela Dock) 1685000 Federation
Any Na Coffee 1790 90.82 Any Na (Libby Orbital) 581 Federation
Mulachi Giant Fungus 86 94.95 Mulachi (Clark Terminal) 594517 Independent
Arouca Conventula Sweets 1203 97.77 Arouca (Shipton Orbital) 410 Independent
Motrona Experience Jelly 7420 98 Dea Motrona (Pinzon Dock) 1759055 Alliance
Toxandji Virocide 535 100.64 Toxandji (Tsunenaga Orbital) 7780 Independent
Ophiuch Exino Artefacts 4356 102.49 36 Ophiuchi (Katzenstein Dock) 4417969 Independent
Helvetitj Pearls 3620 104.15 Helvetitj (Friend Orbital) 445 Independent
Aganippe Rush 8966 105.56 Aganippe (Julian Market) 117 Independent
Honesty Pills 1365 107.46 LP 375-25 (King Gateway) 514700 Alliance
HR 7221 Wheat 415 107.94 HR 7221 (Veron City) 1885 Empire
Baltha'sine Vacuum Krill 825 109.78 Baltah'Sine (Baltha'Sine Station) 359 Independent
Centauri Mega Gin 3289 110.65 Alpha Centauri (Hutton Orbital) 6942524 Independent
Neritus Berries 850 111.6 Neritus (Toll Ring) 524 Independent
Eleu Thermals 863 111.94 Eleu (Finney Dock) 333 Independent
Indi Bourbon 1288 112.44 Epsilon Indi (Mansfield Orbiter) 143 Federation
Tiolce Waste 2 Paste 1153 115.42 Tiolce (Gordon Terminal) 158 Federation
Geawen Dance Dust 1022 116.28 Geawen (Obruchev Legacy) 426261 Independent
Cherbones Blood Crystals 12550 117.96 Cherbones (Chalker Landing) 576817 Alliance
Altairian Skin 758 118.23 Altair (Solo Orbiter) 667 Federation
Vega Slimweed 2398 122.48 Vega (Taylor City) 1083 Federation
Eranin Pearl Whisky 1620 122.66 Eranin (Azeban City) 295 Independent
AZ Cancri Formula 42 6442 124.39 AZ Cancri (Fisher Station) 16 Federation
Ngadandari Fire Opals 16028 129.55 Ngadandari (Napier Terminal) 501978 Independent
Chi Eridani Marine Paste 784 130.08 Chi Eridani (Steve Masters) 2192 Federation
Deuringas Truffles 1892 131.08 Deuringas (Shukor Hub) 801 Federation
Soontill Relics 1265 131.73 Ngurii (Cheranovsky City) 1281 Empire
Xihe Biomorphic Companions 4482 132.51 Xihe (Zhen Dock) 1945 Federation
Vidavantian Lace 6771 133.39 Vidavanta (Lee Mines) 556882 Federation
Herculis Body Rub 160 134.11 V1090 Herculis (Kaku Plant) 1233592 Federation
Chateau De Aegaeon 1283 135.99 Aegaeon (Schweickart Station) 11417 Federation
Giant Verrix 6522 136.65 Phiagre (Greeboski's Outpost) 85 Independent
Void Extract Coffee 2357 137.79 LFT 1421 (Ehrlich Orbital) 773000 Federation
Zeessze Ant Grub Glue 374 138.08 Zeessze (Nicollier Hanger) 489 Federation
Pantaa Prayer Sticks 1827 138.31 George Pantazis (Zamka Platform) 46 Federation
Mechucos High Tea 1345 141.41 Mechucos (Brandenstein Port) 534137 Federation
Ethgreze Tea Buds 3261 143.83 Ethgreze (Bloch Station) 351 Alliance
Coquim Spongiform Victuals 255 146.86 Coquim (Hirayama Installation) 606 Empire
LTT Hyper Sweet 222 152.91 LTT 9360 (Smeaton Orbital) 1872412 Federation
Ceremonial Heike Tea 1920 154.47 Heike (Brunel City) 410 Federation
Bast Snake Gin 1080 157.56 Bast (Hart Station) 204 Federation
Giant Irukama Snails 1810 159.57 Irukama (Blaauw City) 325 Empire
Gilya Signature Weapons 7290 160.22 Gilya (Bell Orbital) 459 Federation
Tauri Chimes 938 162.68 39 Tauri (Porta) 994 Independent
Gerasian Gueuze Beer 456 163.74 Geras (Yurchikhin Port) 1052955 Federation
Eden Apples of Aerial 615 165.61 Aerial (Andrade Legacy) 179 Independent
Banki Amphibious Leather 634 167.85 Banki (Antonio De Andrade Vista) 531869 Independent
Fujin Tea 992 172.6 Fujin (Futen Spaceport) 536 Independent
Kinago Violins 7279 173.03 Kinago (Fozard Ring) 1723 Independent
Vanayequi Ceratomorpha Fur 615 177.47 Vanayequi (Clauss Hub) 82 Independent
Tanmark Tranquil Tea 1814 178.01 Tanmark (Cassie-L-Peia) 414 Independent
Tarach Spice 1056 181.72 Tarach Tor (Tranquillity) 359 Independent
Jaroua Rice 385 184.02 Jaroua (McCool City) 143 Empire
Utgaroar Millennial Eggs 1795 185.84 Utgaroar (Fort Klarix) 170 Independent
Chameleon Cloth 1664 188.47 LDS 883 (Smith Reserve) 54480 Independent
Delta Phoenicis Palms 412 189.27 Delta Phoenicis (Trading Post) 3771 Empire
Live Hecate Sea Worms 1190 189.86 Hecate (RJH1972) 526 Independent
Alya Body Soap 454 190.56 Alya (Malaspina Gateway) 58090 Independent
Witchhaul Kobe Beef 4520 191.7 Witchhaul (Hornby Terminal) 220 Federation
HIP Organophosphates 385 192.82 HIP 80364 (Stasheff Colony) 2639 Independent
Belalans Ray Leather 882 193.35 Belalans (Boscovich Ring) 78 Empire
Wolf Fesh 712 194.48 Wolf 1301 (Saunders's Dive) 391 Independent
HIP Proto-Squid 1488 196.6 HIP 41181 (Andersson Station) 586000 Independent
Albino Quechua Mammoth 2538 197.15 Quechua (Crown Ring) 118 Empire
Karetii Couture 5225 201.54 Karetii (Sinclair Platform) 986 Federation
Alacarakmo Skin Art 1421 201.82 Alacarakmo (Weyl Gateway) 15 Independent
Esuseku Caviar 2450 206.14 Esuseku (Savinykh Orbital) 275 Federation
Momus Bog Spaniel 1815 206.92 Momus Reach (Tartarus Point) 416 Independent
Rajukru Multi-Stoves 682 207.75 Rajukru (Snyder Terminal) 117 Federation
Rusani Old Smokey 5810 208.17 Rusani (Fernandes Market) 73 Independent
Kongga Ale 585 210.13 Kongga (Laplace Ring) 253 Federation
Wheemete Wheat Cakes 262 210.26 Wheemete (Eisinga Enterprise) 552143 Empire
Aepyornis Egg 2654 214.96 47 Ceti (Glushko Station) 591793 Empire
Ceti Rabbits 1675 214.96 47 Ceti (Kaufmanis Hub) 593837 Empire
Volkhab Bee Drones 3262 216.33 Volkhab (Vernadsky Dock) 409 Federation
Karsuki Locusts 915 220.2 Karsuki Ti (West Market) 28 Empire
Kachirigin Filter Leeches 467 222.63 Kachirigin (Nowak Orbital) 338 Federation
Uzumoku Low-G Wings 8496 227.44 Uzumoku (Sverdrup Ring) 505322 Independent
Thrutis Cream 925 227.9 Thrutis (Kingsbury Dock) 291 Independent
Damna Carapaces 315 231.33 Damna (Nemere Market) 2521 Independent
Ochoeng Chillies 998 233.97 Ochoeng (Roddenberry Gateway) 484 Independent
Havasupai Dream Catcher 9636 234.51 Havasupai (Lovelace Port) 601314 Federation
Rapa Bao Snake Skins 550 236.37 Rapa Bao (Flagg Gateway) 2593 Empire
Goman Yaupon Coffee 1451 239.55 Goman (Gustav Sporer Port) 273 Empire
Kamorin Historic Weapons 2678 239.78 Kamorin (Godwin Vision) 447 Independent
Kamitra Cigars 6218 242.64 Kamitra (Hammel Terminal) 83 Empire
HIP 10175 Bush Meat 2105 242.74 HIP 10175 (Stefanyshyn-Piper Station) 4312 Federation
Wuthielo Ku Froth 634 245.93 Wuthielo Ku (Tarter Dock) 174 Empire
Yaso Kondi Leaf 6060 246.21 Yaso Kondi (Wheeler Market) 113 Empire
Holva Duelling Blades 6518 247.53 Holva (Kreutz Orbital) 22796 Empire
Mukusubii Chitin 654 251.35 Mukusubii (Ledyard dock) 505456 Independent
Haidne Black Brew 1347 253.83 Haiden (Searfoss Enterprise) 561080 Federation
Njangari Saddles 650 262.91 Njangari (Lee Hub) 21450 Empire
Nguna Modern Antiques 919 266.47 Nguna (Biggle Hub) 1872 Independent
Wulpa Hyperbore Systems 1175 287.33 Wulpa (Williams Gateway) 27 Independent
Eshu Umbrellas 2050 311.78 Eshu (Shajn Terminal) 1740 Empire
 
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