Really? Fed commanders arent supporting jupiter rochester?

CMDR Karrde Sun

CMDR Karrde Sun
A system permit sounds like the first cg reward ive been interesting in a long time, so decided to go along.

From being traditionally imperial / alliance, im surprised that the other goal is ahead. How does that compute? I thought it it was a no brainer that Jupiter Rochester would win.

Well i've never understood the strange and odd things the feds do have to admit.

Here goes.. hope i end up doing the right thing. Also isn't that unfair for actual feds who support JR to miss out on the permit?
 

CMDR DragonHorn

CMDR DragonHorn
I don't get the hate towards Jupiter either. I'm actively fighting on his side, but I'd hardly make a difference alone...

For what it's worth, I'm not totally fed, although sympathize with them more than any other SP, but I can only respect the man for going up against whole Federation. And yes, Core Dynamic ships have absolutely amazing design.
 

Danieros

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Disclaimer: Not a fed.

Within the first 12 hours the trend was already settled, which is the usual with these kinds of 1v1 CGs.

Anyway, I wouldn't worry about the permit. Even if you refuse to do a bit for the other side just to secure 75% (totally understandable, I personally don't like how you can play for both sides without any consequence at all), the megaship will move to a nearby system to offer the permit likely the normal way these go - get allied, do a mission.

But, Jupiter, who could very likely grow to become a 3rd federal power, will be shut down through this CG.
 
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Kayvan

Kayvan
Um, hello?
In 3307, Jupiter was named as a co-conspirator in the 3301 plot to assassinate then-President Jasmina Halsey by means of the sabotage and destruction of Starship One.

As a Fed, how can you possibly support a conspirator to an assassination attempt for the basest of reasons, profit?

My character isn't even a Fed (Allied sort of "by accident") but I might just join the fight to make sure that murderous piece of scum is brought to justice.
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
CMDR Karrde Sun said:
A system permit sounds like the first cg reward ive been interesting in a long time, so decided to go along.

From being traditionally imperial / alliance, im surprised that the other goal is ahead. How does that compute? I thought it it was a no brainer that Jupiter Rochester would win.

Well i've never understood the strange and odd things the feds do have to admit.

Here goes.. hope i end up doing the right thing. Also isn't that unfair for actual feds who support JR to miss out on the permit?
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The other goal is federal too. It's a fed vs fed bunfight. Notwithstanding that CZ CGs are a broken mess though, players have never supported the named, characterised side, and instead always stick with the nameless big power without characterisation.

Because the former has flaws as well as positive aspects, the latter is just flavourless, and thus more attractive for having no flaws.
 

Astaran

Astaran
Danieros said:
But, Jupiter, who could very likely grow to become a 3rd federal power, will be shut down through this CG.
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I kind of hope that FDev found a way around this "issue". It would be a shame if the community on the one hand clamors for "new stuff" (factions, ships, politics etc.) all the time, but on the other hand shoots down all attempts to install such new stuff via CGs. Seriously, this is the reason why I could never be a CM: In case Jupiter loses, I probably couldn't help myself and would tease the audience in the next livestream "weeeell guys, and there goes your Clipper. Kthxbye and better luck next time" :LOL:

Then again, if the Jupiter story arc is indeed somehow linked to new stuff in Odyssey, I am sure there will be reasonable plot armor to make sure we get the goodies and Jupiter with Odyssey regardless the outcome of the CG. There will probably some "Option B: He lost" details around it instead, instead of "Option A: He won".

PS: As a loyal Imperial citizen, I wish all Feds involved in this fight best of luck, much success and happy hunting. Shoot straight and kill plenty ;)
 

Oytis57

Oytis57
Whatever side does not count,both Feds and even if Jupiter had the edge I don't think anything big would change in the Powers balance (too much work for Fdev) said that you can always get that permit (for what it's worth) even not participating at the CG,in fact whoever wins their Megaship will be giving Missions to unlock the permit "after" the CG is ended.
 

[VR] Bulbulunufus

[VR] Bulbulunufus
Astaran said:
I kind of hope that FDev found a way around this "issue". It would be a shame if the community on the one hand clamors for "new stuff" (factions, ships, politics etc.) all the time, but on the other hand shoots down all attempts to install such new stuff via CGs. Seriously, this is the reason why I could never be a CM: In case Jupiter loses, I probably couldn't help myself and would tease the audience in the next livestream "weeeell guys, and there goes your Clipper. Kthxbye and better luck next time" :LOL:

Then again, if the Jupiter story arc is indeed somehow linked to new stuff in Odyssey, I am sure there will be reasonable plot armor to make sure we get the goodies and Jupiter with Odyssey regardless the outcome of the CG. There will probably some "Option B: He lost" details around it instead, instead of "Option A: He won".

PS: As a loyal Imperial citizen, I wish all Feds involved in this fight best of luck, much success and happy hunting. Shoot straight and kill plenty ;)
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"Vote by CG" is a terrible way of canvassing opinion on what new features/content players want. Also a new power inserted in the current full bubble would be a disaster for their neighbours (just like Grom). Rochester's animosity toward the federation makes him sound like another version of Grom too - cue the Empire now being a 6 power "ZYADAR" (although probably with two slightly loose cannons as Grom currently is), vs the Federation's two. A believable possibility in the context of "FDev balance" though, worryingly.

As for allegiance, the CG is clearly intended to split the Fed vote and also attract external support for both sides, and so is pretty well designed to make an interesting conflict. From what I hear it's been a real free-for-all with squadmate against squadmate (at least on our discord!), and some Feds going just to shoot Imp players and vice versa, and some Feds/Imps fighting alongside each other. Quite a chaotic, multilayered event!
 

Phill P

Phill P
Astaran said:
I kind of hope that FDev found a way around this "issue". It would be a shame if the community on the one hand clamors for "new stuff" (factions, ships, politics etc.) all the time, but on the other hand shoots down all attempts to install such new stuff via CGs. Seriously, this is the reason why I could never be a CM: In case Jupiter loses, I probably couldn't help myself and would tease the audience in the next livestream "weeeell guys, and there goes your Clipper. Kthxbye and better luck next time" :LOL:
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Well firstly, Jupiter himself said that if there was going to be any new stuff it would not be any time soon and would take a while to produce, so if anyone was expecting something new after this CG they didn't read the small print, as it were, and would be in for a long wait, and secondly there is no reason to think that if he loses there will be no new shiny toys for people who only care about that. Should the Federation win, as seems likely, there is no reason why, for example, they couldn't say something like "when we imprisoned Jupiter and impounded his stuff we found plans for this or that which we have turned over to Core Dynamics with a view to developing and producing them."

That, and with Sirius saying they would be happy to take over Lakon, still leaves plenty of options open for new things, since Sirius are the ones with the cutting edge technology and are probably more advanced than Core Dynamics, Lakon or anyone else.
 

Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
I'm an 'independent trader' so have no loyalty to any of the superpowers - although, perfectly understandably have gained maximum rank with the ship-givers in case any additional benefits might arise later...

So, I'm there doing my bit for Jupiter... Not that I believe any tangible benefits are to be had - but also not actually knowing if his losing might make for less utility on any future ship coming from this business.

As a 'Pillock of the Community' my stance is obviously based only on the consideration of what I may be able to 'reassign ownership' to me in the future...

Join me in this quest for Profit and the fight against the boring and mundane!
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
Jmanis said:
Because the former has flaws as well as positive aspects, the latter is just flavourless, and thus more attractive for having no flaws.
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Interesting. I think it's the other way round.

The Federation is not a net positive force in the galaxy, but it is portrayed as having depth, internal disputes, and occasionally does something not totally unsympathetic. There are aspects of it which people can rally around even if they don't like the rest of it.

Jupiter Rochester has been found to have procured the murder of thousands, including the Federal VP and (attempted) President, for no apparent motive beyond his personal profit, and has now run off to a system with his loyalists to try to work openly for the collapse of (the remains of) Federal democracy now that his attempts to get it subtly have failed, while - I assume, from his statements - twirling his moustache and laughing maniacally [1].

(Now sure, there's an argument that as well as making large amounts of money, the Federal Military needed to remain strong to fend off the Thargoid threat which Jupiter's Club allies knew about and the public - and Halsey - didn't. And he could even make that argument retrospectively without revealing he knew about the Thargoids beforehand. But Jupiter isn't making that argument, which you have to know a fair bit of non-Galnet information at the moment to know he could make. He's not even pretending to be the lesser of two evils.)

So Jupiter is all flaws, and the Federation is more attractive for having some positive aspects.


[1] There's an interesting comparison here with Kincaid - another person who with the help of allies in the military had his political rivals assassinated ... but bad as Kincaid was, he could perhaps from his jail cell claim some retrospective vindication in that a proper military relationship and order book with Lakon might have stopped them getting into so much trouble with the threats to Alliance security that the Admirals are worrying about now. Rochester isn't even really trying to put forward that much of a case.
 

Screemonster

Screemonster
Ian Doncaster said:
(Now sure, there's an argument that as well as making large amounts of money, the Federal Military needed to remain strong to fend off the Thargoid threat which Jupiter's Club allies knew about and the public - and Halsey - didn't. And he could even make that argument retrospectively without revealing he knew about the Thargoids beforehand. But Jupiter isn't making that argument, which you have to know a fair bit of non-Galnet information at the moment to know he could make. He's not even pretending to be the lesser of two evils.)
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I can never remember which of the big names in the Elite galaxy are with the Club and which aren't.
 
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