Really no Tritium in Colonia?

karamu

karamu
Recently my mate who I play in a wing with a lot finally bought the Fleet Carrier he's been after for a while. After a couple of wee hops around the Bubble we loaded up our ships and headed out to Colonia - a region we've both wanted to visit for some time.

Due to real life stuff my friend is going to be offline for some time so I'm just cutting about in Colonia by myself for the next few weeks and, noting that Jaques Station has a Fleet Carrie Vendor, an idea took shape in my head. I'm currently at nearly 4.5bil credits so why don't I grind another couple of bil and buy my own Fleet Carrier to take me back to the Bubble (and probably come back to Colonia - I LOVE the space out here)?

However, I picked up a wee Tritium fetch mission, opened up EDDB and what the ***?! Single figure availability in a handle of stations and a couple of carriers selling for WAY over market rate!

A quick bit of Googling suggests this has happened as a result of Frontier nerfing mining last summer?

Has there been no suggestions of Frontier fixing this at all? It completely makes a mockery of having a FC vendor if you can't readily obtain fuel for it!

I've not got much experience mining and have never mined for Tritium - is this a realistic option or are FCs in Colonia just basically screwed?
 

goemon

goemon
Really no Tritium in Colonia?
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... but you have answered your question yourself:

Single figure availability
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so, there isn't really no tritium in colonia. there is tritium in single figures.

karamu said:
A quick bit of Googling suggests this has happened as a result of Frontier nerfing mining last summer?
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it has nothing to do with mining (you can mine tritium in colonia as everywhere else).

production of goods is population based. system in colonia have low population, so there aren't large amounts of tritium produced.

there was no large supply of tritium to buy in colonia during beta.

the only time there was relevant supply of tritium in colonia (for a few weeks) was when systems in state refreshed their supply of any commodity with each market tick (~10 minutes). this wasn't bound to tritium, wasn't in large amounts, and was an aknowledged bug, and was fixed.

Has there been no suggestions of Frontier fixing this at all?
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there is nowhere said that frontier considers it not working as intended.
 

varonica

varonica
karamu said:
However, I picked up a wee Tritium fetch mission, opened up EDDB and what the ***?! Single figure availability in a handle of stations and a couple of carriers selling for WAY over market rate!
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No they aren't actually, market rate it determined by a number of factors, local availability, local availability is limited, so prices will be higher, cost of transport, these carriers have transported Tritium all the way from the bubble to let players refuel thier own carriers in Colonia, they aren't running a charity you know, and of course the initial cost of purchase. You expect them to purchase Tritium at market rate in the Bubble, say 60,000 per ton, transport it all the way to Colonia and then sell it for the same price? Carriers are in fact the only market where price will fluctuate according to economic pressure and demands, so they aren't unfairly profiteering, they are just supplying a demand.
 

Nadreck

N
I've recently bought a Carrier for my Colonia-based alt. But I bought it in the Bubble and filled it with tritium there before taking it to Colonia.

If you buy a Carrier in Colonia, yes you need to allow quite a lot of extra cash to buy fuel, or mine it. At least Colonia is small, so you could realistically mine it for moving around within the region. But if you're planning on setting off for a long voyage from Colonia, with plenty of tritium onboard, that might be a problem.
 

karamu

karamu
varonica said:
No they aren't actually, market rate it determined by a number of factors, local availability, local availability is limited, so prices will be higher, cost of transport, these carriers have transported Tritium all the way from the bubble to let players refuel thier own carriers in Colonia, they aren't running a charity you know, and of course the initial cost of purchase. You expect them to purchase Tritium at market rate in the Bubble, say 60,000 per ton, transport it all the way to Colonia and then sell it for the same price? Carriers are in fact the only market where price will fluctuate according to economic pressure and demands, so they aren't unfairly profiteering, they are just supplying a demand.
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OK, I was meaning "Galactic Average" and nowhere did I imply that there was anything wrong with that. Just if I need 4000 tonnes to get back to the Bubble I am reluctant to pay higher prices.
 

karamu

karamu
Rat Catcher said:
I can recommend Carcosa CD2 icy ring as having a very generous Tritium hotspot, I'm pulling around 150-200 tons in 45 minute mining stints there. SSD mainly. A few 'nice' core rocks there, if you have the full kit too :)
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If that's an achievable rate it's definitely worth giving it a go - thanks.
 

Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
karamu said:
If that's an achievable rate it's definitely worth giving it a go - thanks.
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My FC is parked there (well, my main account FC) and I have been doing 45 minute trips (actual mining - it takes a minute or so each way..) as by then I've had enough 🤪
I drop in around 4mm from the centre of the hotspot and have mined around 900t in 5 trips, best from a single rock was well over 30t... (and 30% for laser mining)
 

Nadreck

N
Might be worth considering getting that first 4,000t however you can (mining, or buying from Carriers at Colonia prices) and then using that to get to the Bubble for filling up at 50k/t, then heading back to Colonia.

If your friend has a Carrier too, then that does open up another possibility: a resupply mission. That's what I'm planning, I have 3 accounts, all with Carriers. At some point, I will probably send another Carrier from the Bubble to top up the Colonia-based Carrier (unless I just decide to mine it instead, though sending the resupply Carrier will probably be quicker). This gives me the flexibility to launch a deep-space expedition from Colonia with 23,000t of tritium onboard.
 

karamu

karamu
Nadreck said:
Might be worth considering getting that first 4,000t however you can (mining, or buying from Carriers at Colonia prices) and then using that to get to the Bubble for filling up at 50k/t, then heading back to Colonia.

If your friend has a Carrier too, then that does open up another possibility: a resupply mission. That's what I'm planning, I have 3 accounts, all with Carriers. At some point, I will probably send another Carrier from the Bubble to top up the Colonia-based Carrier (unless I just decide to mine it instead, though sending the resupply Carrier will probably be quicker). This gives me the flexibility to launch a deep-space expedition from Colonia with 23,000t of tritium onboard.
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At this moment in time I am thinking something along those lines - my substitute plan will be probably be to take my Explorer ship back to the Bubble, buy the FC there, fill it up with as much Tritium as I can afford then head back out to Colonia.
 

varonica

varonica
karamu said:
At this moment in time I am thinking something along those lines - my substitute plan will be probably be to take my Explorer ship back to the Bubble, buy the FC there, fill it up with as much Tritium as I can afford then head back out to Colonia.
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You know you can fill a Type 9 Heavy up with nearly 800 tons, that's enough for around 4kly, although jump range isn't great the good thing is the FC gets closer each run 🍻
 

CMDR Serra

CMDR Serra
The cheapest you can get Tritium in the bubble is 45k. A fully loaded carrier goes to Colonia in roughly 44 jumps and uses about 5500 units of Tritium.

Therefore, the cost of the journey is 5500x45000=247,500,000 (plus wear and tear)

On a bare bones(ish) carrier, I reckon that will leave approx 10000 units of Tritium you could then sell to leave yourself enough fuel to get back. The return journey will also cost about the same (probably little less, but ballpark...). So that's roughly half a billion including the wear and tear.

So you have to make half a billion on your 10000 units of Tritium. If my maths is right (I'm sure it will be pointed out if not :) ) you'd need to sell it for 95000 to break even. Anyone selling for less than 100k doesn't really value their time as it takes at least 15 hours to get there and another 15 back.

To be honest 125-150k seems fair.
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
If you want a break from mining, the same Refinery stations which sell small amounts of Tritium also have missions which offer Tritium as a reward. You'll only get 30t or so per mission, and probably only one or two missions offering it, but if they're short missions that's as quick as mining it would be.

(This is more use for fuelling up a carrier to move around Colonia - for which 10-20t a time is plenty - than for loading one up for a six month exploration trip.)
 

Red Rocket

Red Rocket
I truly don't understand why Fdev increased the cost of Tritium by over 10 times, along with the mining nerf, they drop the value of mined materials and raised Tritium. With the initial cost of the Carrier, upkeep and jump maintenance cost, they make it a financial loss to do Exploring with a carrier, there is no way to make a profit exploring with a carrier without many hours mining Tritium.

Back when Tritium could be found for around 4,000 ton, a stash of 50,000 tons would be sold out in just a couple of hours. Didn't that show Fdev commanders wanted reasonable priced Tritium to use their Carrier, Why make it so difficult just to use our carrier.
 

goemon

goemon
Red Rocket said:
I truly don't understand why Fdev increased the cost of Tritium by over 10 times
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they didn't. price of tritium was very stabile. always 40-50k.

only after beta people actually found state effects leading to low cost tritium on very few station during very specific states. those can still be found. most commanders don't share via third party apps anymore if they find a source, because fdev fixed the bug of replenishing supply every market tick during a state.
 

Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
Red Rocket said:
I truly don't understand why Fdev increased the cost of Tritium by over 10 times, along with the mining nerf, they drop the value of mined materials and raised Tritium. With the initial cost of the Carrier, upkeep and jump maintenance cost, they make it a financial loss to do Exploring with a carrier, there is no way to make a profit exploring with a carrier without many hours mining Tritium.

Back when Tritium could be found for around 4,000 ton, a stash of 50,000 tons would be sold out in just a couple of hours. Didn't that show Fdev commanders wanted reasonable priced Tritium to use their Carrier, Why make it so difficult just to use our carrier.
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Not entirely accurate about the mining nerf as now a much wider variety of minerals / metals are selling for a vastly improved price, just not painite or LTD's.

I don't quite get the 'financial loss' part of exploring with a FC - I was out for around 2 hours last night and was able to put 42 million in from exploration data... Yes, tritium costs more to purchase, but if you are actually exploring with a FC making the credits to pay for upkeep (trivial now) jumping (100k / jump) and fuel is no great challenge.

Even better, an hour spent mining Tritium in a hotspot should nett 150-200t which is around 1000Ly in a lightweight carrier...

Not difficult at all to use either of my FC's (2 accounts have 1 each) even from Colonia. Just a little imagination required 'how' to do things.

Of course, if you dislike mining entirely it will all be credits, which are still very easy to come by, particularly if one owns a FC in the first instance.
 
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