Recent answers = "More in the coming weeks"

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Does that mean FD doesn't know and might know in a few weeks? For example, in regards to new ships, surely FD knows how far along the ships are to completion? If so, why all the secret squirrel cloak and dagger "answers"? I can see the drip feed if ships were supposed to be released one at a time after launch but, that's not the case, they were supposed to be released AT launch. So why all the secrecy?

That's just one example, a LOT of recent "answers" have been "more in the coming weeks" since launch and frankly, I think FD doesn't have the answers or a clear roadmap ATM, hence the "more in coming weeks" non-answers of late. Either that or this is somehow a rework of the original "plan" to piecemeal things that were supposed to be ready at launch.

From my perspective it would seem there was a mad scramble to get the game "released" and then try to pick up the pieces and move forward after the new year, which it would appear to me they are still trying to get a grip on. Normally this wouldn't bother me, except, it seems like FD is trying to play it as if this was the "plan" all along. Obviously the "plan" changed at some point and was released barebones but, this was never part of the original pitch. Sure continued development was in the cards but, not what was supposed to be ready at launch. It's a bit like ordering a 4 piece meal and getting 2, then the chef tells you your other items are a secret and he'll tell you more in the coming hours. It smacks of "we didn't make the other 2 items so we gave you the other 2 to keep you at the table, we'll let you know when they're coming as soon as we figure out how to make them".

TLDR: FD please stop blowing smoke up our butts by acting like the barebones release was "planned". Let us know where the original things, supposed to be ready at launch, are at (ships for example) and keep what was supposed to be expansion packs secret squirrel but, we shouldn't be in the dark about things that were supposed to be part of the finished launch. If you don't know, say you don't know. If you don't have a plan sorted out yet say so but, pretending like everything is as planned and rosey only fools you, not us.
 
I think you answered your own question on why FD are not specific about dates.
If they give a general date, eg end of the month, they'll have people complaining if they miss it and deliver on the first of the month instead.
 
They just publish dates about the next two major releases and mostly concerning multiplayer and grouping and gas giants updates. I'm sure they will announce if we are getting any new ships in the new updates before they are release. I would hope we get at least one or two per major update.
 
TLDR: FD please stop blowing smoke up our butts by acting like the barebones release was "planned"

See,

Here's the thing from my point of view. What I bought around christmas was a modern version of the game I played on the BBC and C64 back in the eighties and this is what I got with a few more bells and whistles on it. I know some people have been disappointed by the lack of MP functionality, but if you take it from the perspective that it is modern version of elite 1984 with a well designed framework to add extra functionality to it (that FDev will do), it's not as doom and gloom as you may think.

Really, give this game some time. It has incredible potential and I can't wait to see what FDev will do with it. That's the other thing, very few gaming companies will reveal their detailed plans for a platform like this. For 2 reasons: Firstly, they'll be hounded by the user base when they announce certain features (pros and cons debate/trash talk). Secondly, they'll be hounded by the same people to give a release date for those features. They will only announce stuff when it's ready for beta and then they won't give a release date. Just because this is a kickstarter does not mean that the backers have a say in what should and should not be in the game. FDev will make those decisions and you will just have to deal with them.

I honestly thought that the ED forum and user base would be different. Maybe slightly older and a bit more mature. But this game has a community just as toxic as any other game I've played. So, I'm grand with FDev doing what they're doing. In fact I find them a little more willing than other companies to engage their user base. Unfortunately, that willingness will probably disappear with time as they get more disillusioned with the members.
 

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Well, judging the minimal progress displayed by most of the recent newsletters, it seems overall development speed is greatly reduced.

It would also explain why we're still seeing very obvious bugs that are many months old - some as old as early Beta days.

Guess we'll have to live with "slow but steady" for quite a while now. Not always satisfactory.... but at least she's still movin' so to speak.
Still... very very awkward to still see many of the small annoyances that were bug-reported half a year ago :/
 
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Why does there need to be a conspiracy behind any of this? I can't see any reason why they would want, or need, to "blow smoke up our butts". The happy people will keep playing regardless, and the glass half empty people will keep on posting their gloom and doom on the forums regardless. FD tell us what they are confidently able to, rather than make a load of half baked claims and then getting pilloried because they don't deliver. It's the same thing any self respecting company PR function does.
 
Guess we'll have to live with "slow but steady" for quite a while now. Not always satisfactory.... but at least she's still movin' so to speak.

You do realise the game has only been released for a little over 30 days? Just over 1 month.

Really, give it some time :)
 
Well, judging the minimal progress displayed by most of the recent newsletters, it seems overall development speed is greatly reduced.

It would also explain why we're still seeing very obvious bugs that are many months old - some as old as early Beta days.

Guess we'll have to live with "slow but steady" for quite a while now. Not always satisfactory.... but at least she's still movin' so to speak.
Still... very very awkward to still see many of the small annoyances that were bug-reported half a year ago :/

Slow but steady? Can I have some of what you're smoking? The game has barely been out a month. Most games release new content on a schedule measured in years, and you can't say they haven't been working on bug fixes. Read the patch notes?

Also note that a good part of that month was taken up with a major holiday period.
 

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The community was fantastic up until launch, not many old faces around any more.

I've become more cynical since launch, with good reason I think.
 
Why does there need to be a conspiracy behind any of this? I can't see any reason why they would want, or need, to "blow smoke up our butts". The happy people will keep playing regardless, and the glass half empty people will keep on posting their gloom and doom on the forums regardless. FD tell us what they are confidently able to, rather than make a load of half baked claims and then getting pilloried because they don't deliver. It's the same thing any self respecting company PR function does.

pr functions as the LUBE before the smoke and rump
 
I don't understand this answer.
The game was released in 16/12/14, or wasn't it?

Your point being? It's now 19/01/15. If you can't do the sum and come up with "a little over 30 days" then you have a problem. Or the education system does...
 
"If we ignore it and don't acknowledge it, it doesn't exist" seems to be the course of action.

It's not about dates, it's about stopping the smoke and mirrors (particularly the smoke up our butts) and being honest instead of just another shady game company. I haven't seen one, not a single acknowledgement from FD that they released the game unfinished in regards to what was supposed to be in the release, except for a dev "slip" about barebones features (I'm sure he caught hell for the slip). It's all ignored with "we'll tell you more in the coming weeks" rubbish.

All a bit of "Where's what you promised?" with the reply "We'll tell you more in the weeks to come." I don't mind "new" content being secret and all the marketing crap but, what is supposed to already supposed to be in-game shouldn't be and if it's because FD has no clue right now then say so instead of pretending it's "all part of the plan". as an American I'm all too familiar with the "spin" from politicians and never expected it from FD.
 
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It remains to be seen, but I'm also a little bit underwhelmed by the lack of info regarding gameplay mechanics more than anything. The politics seems to be the framework of the game but it's bugged, but no developers will go into detail about what should and shouldn't happen.

My hope is that aside from they're short/medium/long term aims, they have a couple of things up their sleeve that'll satisfy some of the ideas/requests they've seen here.

No problem with the forums other than the sheer volume of info and the tendency to generalise or repeat what's already been said in the thread. Oh, and quoting whole post and having a 1 word answer, bad etiquette :)
 
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"If we ignore it and don't acknowledge it, it doesn't exist" seems to course of action

I agree that the communication in the ticketing area is lacking, and they for whatever reason aren't giving us firm dates for things. This doesn't mean that they aren't doing anything at the office. Unless you've got inside info showing so much. I'm willing to believe that given everything else, they're hesitant on giving specifics or putting out new code until they're very sure of it, because if it's not as good as possible, there'll be more griping just like before.

Now, they might be partially to blame for making this current state of anxiety by some of their actions, but it's a bit conspiratorial to paint them as having product that they just don't want to give out to the consumer. Do you want half baked coding to add to existing problems that some people are having?

In short, I agree with needing communication improvements (just like in the game *cough), but it ignores what they have done in the past and recently as well.
 
The community was fantastic up until beta, not many old faces around any more.

I've become more cynical since launch, with good reason I think.

Fixed that for you ;o)

In my opinion, the forums went downhill when the "public" started playing. I know this sounds Elitist (pun intended ;o), but in the DDF and Alpha days, discussions were much, much more civil and fruitful.

These days, everyone and his dog makes a thread about anything, and often there's at least a dozen threads about that very subject.

On-topic: I think that a lot of things that Frontier has in the works haven't been 110% finalized yet, and thus they won't make any definite statements until everything is ready.
 
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On-topic: I think that a lot of things that Frontier has in the works haven't been 110% finalized yet, and thus they won't make any definite statements until everything is ready.

Ya, we all know that. FD needs to acknowledge this (we all know it anyway already) and then explain why what was supposed to be in the release isn't, instead of spinning it as if was always the plan.
 
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