Researched - Which Major Faction sells the most slaves

[Ben Ryder]

Researched - Which Major Faction sells the most slaves

Thought Id share some research

Within 150ly of each factions capital

Federation owned 32 stations selling slaves - The station are mostly corporate
Alliance owned 20 stations selling slaves - The stations are mostly anarchy
Empire owned 15 stations selling slaves - The stations are mostly corporate

Empire owned 100+ stations imperial selling slaves - Anything goes
Federation owned 31 stations selling slaves - The station are mostly corporate
Alliance owned 19 stations selling slaves - The stations are mostly anarchy

Over all findings
Empire are number 1 slavers by a huge margin
Federation sell roughly the same number of both types of slaves
Alliance sell almost as many slaves as the Federation but almost only ever in law less anarchy systems

The Alliance is the least slavery friendly faction or at has the least penetration of slaver traders.

Choose you faction allegiance wisely and use your votes well.

 

[Olmis Aremja]

Alliance all the way! Thanks for sharing this info. +1

 

[Brimstone]

David Braben said in the AMA that imperial slavery is not slavery in the sense that we think of it. Imperial slavery is similar to signing up to the military for a set amount of time.

 

[Ben Ryder]

David Braben said in the AMA that imperial slavery is not slavery in the sense that we think of it. Imperial slavery is similar to signing up to the military for a set amount of time.

Well thats not what happened or happens in the game . One of the last community goals told you what happens to them including body modification factories and implants etc. Then there was also a slave rebellion where they were massacred. Why rebel and get massacred if everything is nicey nicey?

oh and the community goal where to empire factions bet on who could get the most slaves. And one senator buying 1000s maybe millions of illegal slaves and processing them to sell them as imperial slaves... erm right. The clue is in the name Imperial 'Slaves'. Slaves that are property of the Empire.

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Illegal slaves bought by empire to process and resell as part of a bet
2,387,567 tonnes + and that was one community goal for the empire

 

[Roybe]

Well thats not what happened or happens in the game . One of the last community goals told you what happens to them including body modification factories and implantsetc. Then there was also a slave rebellion where they were massacred. Why rebel and get massacred if everything is nicey nicey?

Indeed!

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[Brimstone]

Eeeehh I'm going to offend some people by saying this but soldiers have to do as they are told, just like slaves. Perhaps, depending on the perspective, the intense physical training some of the more "elite" military sections require could be seen as body modification. In war, soldiers get massacred, but not because they were rebelling against their command. Yeah maybe I should stop my analogy here and walk away, sorry lol.

 

[Ben Ryder]

Eeeehh I'm going to offend some people by saying this but soldiers have to do as they are told, just like slaves. Perhaps, depending on the perspective, the intense physical training some of the more "elite" military sections require could be seen as body modification. In war, soldiers get massacred, but not because they were rebelling against their command. Yeah maybe I should stop my analogy here and walk away, sorry lol.

Actual body modification / sculpting not training. Read the community goals thread about the Empire buying illegal slaves. One occasion was over two million...

Really do a bit of research on it. You'll be surprised if you think Imperial slaves are okay


Just seen your watermark...

 

[FreeeLancer]

Well thats not what happened or happens in the game . One of the last community goals told you what happens to them including body modification factories and implants etc. Then there was also a slave rebellion where they were massacred. Why rebel and get massacred if everything is nicey nicey?

oh and the community goal where to empire factions bet on who could get the most slaves. And one senator buying 1000s maybe millions of illegal slaves and processing them to sell them as imperial slaves... erm right. The clue is in the name Imperial 'Slaves'. Slaves that are property of the Empire.

In the continuation of the same quote David said that the quality of life depends largely on the owner, just like for soldiers in real life. Just because some senators/slavers/corporations exploit slaves doesn't mean all slaves in the Empire are treated like property or inhumanely. I'm confident that the upcoming patch will have some options for influencing the way slaves are treated in the Empire.

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Just seen your watermark...

Biased much?

 

[_Flin_]

Well, but when your in the Army, e.g. in GB, you wont get sold on the open market, e.g. to the Army of Congo.

 

[Ben Ryder]

Biased much?

I think he might be.

I like to back my points with stats and first hand evidence.

 

[Brimstone]

Yeah yeah I'm an Earl in the Imperial Navy and have bought and sold thousands of imperial slaves, but I have also liberated hundreds of non-imperial slaves. All I'm trying to say is imperial salves are not regular slaves. Citizens opt into imperial slavery because they are in debt and don't want the dishonor that goes with it. They will not be slaves forever. Slaves are just, well, slaves.

 

[Orange Sheets]

Citizens opt into imperial slavery because they are in debt and don't want the dishonor that goes with it. They will not be slaves forever.

If culture is heavily into honor/dishonor, public shaming etc. then the "opt" is not actually a real choice. It's not a payment option, it is a cruel business.

 

[Deathwatch]

Well at least the imperial slaves shouldn't have there organs harvested for there debt, unlike the corporations in the feds that probs will steal your organs.

 

[Ben Ryder]

Yeah yeah I'm an Earl in the Imperial Navy and have bought and sold thousands of imperial slaves, but I have also liberated hundreds of non-imperial slaves. All I'm trying to say is imperial salves are not regular slaves. Citizens opt into imperial slavery because they are in debt and don't want the dishonor that goes with it. .

Except for the several million tonnes of slaves bought by the Imperial Senate...

Oh and those massacred by the Imperial Navy...

 

[FreeeLancer]

Since we keep bringing up RL military and stats and facts..

Trench warfare during the Great War was notorious for 6 figure casualties during the offensives. I'd prefer to be sold to Congolese Army then to participate in one of those tbh xd
During the WWII Hitlerjungend constantly lowered recruitment age, by the end the organization drafted 12 year old boys into combat service.
And speaking of Congo and child soldiers, various warlords from Central African countries employed (and some still do) children as military forces. The tried and true practice is to raid a village and kill off all older members of the family thus removing all potential influence or motive for desertion from the young boys. I'm not going to say what happens to girls.
Many countries still employ mandatory military service. In Israel both males and females are drafted.
In USA, especially in conflicts during the Cold War, drafting practices were dubiously skewed towards certain minorities. Nowdays drafters employ various tricks in order to bait young and inexperienced to join the army, and not only in US, but in most countries that rely on their military strength.
In every military that I've ever heard of, act of desertion is punishable by death.
I could go on and on about hardships of military life that our modern society frowns upon or would call uncivilized, cruel or even barbaric, but such is the nature of the job unfortunately. The only way to change it is to change human nature.

How is this any different for people who are manipulated into, exploited, abused or even killed while being under slave contract? I'd even go as far to say that some of the nasty situations that happened in RL wouldn't happen in the Elite's Empire, but then again, power does trump morality..

As far as "facts and evidence" goes, most of it is written in a questionable newspaper that I could label as yellow press, and not be too far of the mark. Not saying that horrible things don't happen to some Imperial Slaves, even in large scale, but again, condeming the entire Empire based on a practice of a few is not the right way to fix the problem.

 

[Insanto]

i'm slightly confused by this thread.. i thought you were an imperial citizen aswell
so why then go and point out that obviously what everyone already knew?

 

[FreeeLancer]

Except for the several million tonnes of slaves bought by the Imperial Senate...

If you are talking about the slaves some senator bought from Federation and then set free, isn't that a good thing? (I was out of the game for the past few months, so I'm not aware of any other instances of slave trades, 'scuse my ignorance)

 

[Loskene]

Being poor and helpless anywhere at any time is a bad situation for all involved. Whodathunkit? You either get sold into slavery where you might be treated ok (emphasis on might), or you could end up homeless and starving to death before being scooped up in unregulated human trafficking. Basically if you don't want to suffer in this universe (elite or the real world) don't be poor. Imperial slavery is the lesser of two evils, in the sense that if you survive your tenure you may get to re-enter society with your debts fulfilled. Still a better second chance at life than you'd get in the harsh corporate wasteland of the Federation, or the lawless anarchies of the so-called Alliance.

 

[Ben Ryder]

If you are talking about the slaves some senator bought from Federation and then set free, isn't that a good thing? (I was out of the game for the past few months, so I'm not aware of any other instances of slave trades, 'scuse my ignorance)

Two senators had a bet
One bought imperial slaves and paid very badly the other bought slaves and paid very well. The one with the most won. If the first won they would set them free. If the second won they would remain.

Guess who won?

The second Senator.

None were set free. Zero.

The first made them 'servants' with a life debt and swelled their own influence with their votes.
The second processed their in special reeducation camps with a touch of implants and body modification, then put the price up by 20 % and announced a 'sale'.

None were freed at all. In one week two senators gained around 5 million tonnes of slaves at basement prices.

And lots of well meaning commanders didn't see it coming.

 

[Ben Ryder]

Condeming the entire Empire based on a practice of a few is not the right way to fix the problem.

The Senate and the Navy are ultimately responsible for the points I evidenced.

Its easy to mix general with the specific. A governments or militaries actions should not be attributed as a generalization of all it's citizens.


Really looking forward to 1.3. It's going to add a new dimension to the game, especially if you're in to role playing a character.