Retreat and War Go Pending Together

[Johnny Cyclops]

I've an option to push an MF into both Retreat (system A) and War (system B) on tomorrow's tick. I really need the Retreat to happen though.

I believe with different pending durations my goal should be achieved. Retreat pending lasts one day, whereas War last three. So on Tuesday's tick if both states go pending then on Wednesday's tick the Retreat state will commence, then on Friday's tick (War pending day three) the War state will commence and bring the Retreat state to an early close, after just two days.

I'd welcome comments/confirmation that my thinking is right and the approach should work.

Follow-on question - let's say my calculations are off, and on tomorrow's (Tuesday's) tick only the War goes pending. Does that mean I could attempt to still get the Retreat pending on Wednesday's tick, and then the Retreat state itself commences on Thursday, and the War commences on Friday, curtailing and concluding the Retreat after just a single day.

 

[Starwolfe]

If the system that can retreat is under 2.5% on the same day it becomes available to go pending retreat, and you work to get tied in another system for a conflict, you can have both go pending on that same day.

The result will be a 1 day pending, 2 day active retreat that is cut short by a conflict when that goes active.

The time when it happened for me I had the faction around 1% for days before while the faction was in conflict waiting for it to clear. Then when it cleared I timed another conflict elsewhere and it proceeded with a 2-day retreat that was out when the next conflict started.

So not entirely sure if you need it below the threshold before, or if it has to just be on that day.

 

[Johnny Cyclops]

If the system that can retreat is under 2.5% on the same day it becomes available to go pending retreat, and you work to get tied in another system for a conflict, you can have both go pending on that same day.

The result will be a 1 day pending, 2 day active retreat that is cut short by a conflict when that goes active.

The time when it happened for me I had the faction around 1% for days before while the faction was in conflict waiting for it to clear. Then when it cleared I timed another conflict elsewhere and it proceeded with a 2-day retreat that was out when the next conflict started.

So not entirely sure if you need it below the threshold before, or if it has to just be on that day.

I've been dropping the Inf in the system I want it to Retreat for a few days, from 7.0% to 5.6% to 4.8% to 3.5% today. I'm hopeful another 1.0%+ reduction on tomorrow's tick pushes it below 2.5% and triggers pending Retreat.

Did you (or anyone else?) have a view on my second scenario - i.e. War goes pending first, and then Retreat goes pending the next day?

 

[Ryan Murdoc]

Did you (or anyone else?) have a view on my second scenario - i.e. War goes pending first, and then Retreat goes pending the next day?

That would be the most efficient of the two, but also the most dangerous one. It would mean that the Retreat goes live on the 3rd pending day of the coming War. And it needs to be under 2.5% at that point, because the next day the conflict will go active.

No amount of mission running or other attempts to raise the Influence will be successful then since States are handled before the %. War live, Retreat successful, MF kicked out.

 

[Starwolfe]

I don't think it would happen.

The War state once pending locks out movement states. You don't get pending Expansions or Retreats once the Conflict state is pending.

It has to be the first day, or it will be after the recovery clears I think.

 

[Ryan Murdoc]

I don't think it would happen.

The War state once pending locks out movement states. You don't get pending Expansions or Retreats once the Conflict state is pending.

It has to be the first day, or it will be after the recovery clears I think.

We had this scenario once and it worked in our favor, but that was in 2.3 and as you mentioned normally shouldn't have happened that way.

 

[Johnny Cyclops]

Thanks all. Will update after today's tick with what actually goes pending.

 

[Johnny Cyclops]

Retreat has gone pending on Tuesday's tick, with Inf dropping from 3.5% to 2.1%. Niether of the two possible Wars got triggered, because I was a little cautious and bumped up the Inf of the MF in both, however they are low pops and there's every chance I close the gap in one or both and put into a War on the next tick on Wednesday. This should help minimise the time in Retreat state, and the effort needed to keep the Inf there low through continued BM smuggling.

 

[Johnny Cyclops]

Retreat went live state on Wednesday's tick and Inf now at the minimum 1.0%. The same tick also saw War go pending in one of the small pops. So the War should be live on Saturday's tick, which means the Retreat state will be curtailed. So I think I need the Retreat state system Inf to be at or below 2.5% when the Saturday tick happens, or do I need it to be for the Friday tick? (My plan is to hold the Inf below 2.5% for all three days).

In a Retreat state, which I believe is MF-wide, as it's displaying that state for the three systems the MF controls, what actions work to increase/reduce INF? I presume a Retreat state that all the BGS tools remain available, and a playing trying to get the MF out of the Retreat state would simply run normal BGS activities in the system the Retreat is happening from. Is the same true in all other systems? - i.e. I have a need to 'win' the War in the three day pending period and not have to fully rely on CZ work, and I need to give an Inf boost in a couple of its other systems to protect against the effect of the coming four-day War.

 

[Starwolfe]

There is some debate on the timing there.

I'm on the side of the calculated influence into Saturday when the War goes active.

However, I tend to try to keep it below 2.5% for the duration regardless to be safe.


All actions work normally during a Retreat. So murder/BM sales to harm the faction directly, or work for opposing factions in the system or on missions that directly harm the target faction if possible to keep them down.

 

[RebelTheorist]

Hi All, Advice needed please..... I have just had it confirmed that our PMF is due for the last pass of checks.... script run by FDEV engineering, problem is that this may be done in a week or two and our chosen system now has 7 factions due to expansion.

Is one to two weeks enough time to get a faction into retreat and which faction should we focus on? The smallest with 4.5% but in BOOM or one that is at WAR with 12.5%?

What are the best tactics for the quickest results?

Thank you in advance.

 

[CMDR pollycough]

Hi All, Advice needed please..... I have just had it confirmed that our PMF is due for the last pass of checks.... script run by FDEV engineering, problem is that this may be done in a week or two and our chosen system now has 7 factions due to expansion.

Is one to two weeks enough time to get a faction into retreat and which faction should we focus on? The smallest with 4.5% but in BOOM or one that is at WAR with 12.5%?

What are the best tactics for the quickest results?

Thank you in advance.

The 7 faction rule should not cause a problem tbh if you are that far down the road of insertion.

You can only retreat non-native factions, So that should reduce your options. The retreat has a 1-day countdown and 5 days active, So should be doable.

 

[Johnny Cyclops]

On Saturday's tick the War in System B started, bringing the Retreat in System A to an early end after three days and resulting in the retreat of the MF, as planned, it having remained at 1.0% Inf for the entire three days of the Retreat state. So that all worked then. It's been fun to do, and the War is effectively won already (fingers crossed) with a 28% lead opened up during the War pending days.

In hindsight I could have just skipped the War part, and left as a Retreat for the full five days, but I really really needed the retreat to happen so wanted to maximise the chance of it happening, hence the War also.