Retroactive exploration rewards, because scans/trips can't be repeated?

[rudidev08]

For example, everyone gets to do only one scan of Sag A (+ the trip), players that did it before only get 50% of current Sag A value.

Note that I do have a strong bias in this topic - I did finish Sag A trip and then to the bottom of the core and back and sold it all few days ago - but i'd still like to talk about this from more logical standpoint. Essentially since objects are not rescanable, retroactive rewards (or other solutions?) make sense if possible, especially since lots of scans are unique objects (great annihilator, sag a, and stars known from sci-fi literature).

Also, i don't want to sound ungrateful: upping exploration rewards is great change in a sea of many other great changes, and if it's not possible to retroactively rewards explorers, that's fine. I just thought i'd ask.

 

[Eagle Eye]

I think logistics and data verification would be hell.

The ship refund they choose ships that are only just released and the Dropship who anyone with a sane mind would not buy due to it's price/performance (small amount of user), so it's very easy to collect the data.

 

[rudidev08]

I think logistics and data verification would be hell.

The ship refund they choose ships that are only just released and the Dropship who anyone with a sane mind would not buy due to it's price/performance (small amount of user), so it's very easy to collect the data.

Theoretically, there should be entry in database that says which player scanned which object, and if it's time tagged, then it could be applied to anything before certain time. And I say theoretically because there are difficulties that we don't know about.

 

[Zulu Romeo]

By that logic, many explorers stand to be rewarded with very large amounts of money given their exploration history.

For example, bearing in mind the value of the system at the time and that I had no formal acknowledgement of the 50% first discovery bonus either (as it occurred before that was implemented), I think Universal Cartographics would owe me about 104.9 million credits extra for first-scanning Sagittarius A*. (Or, if I did get the bonus after all, then 69.8 million will do. ). But seeing as I'm in a good mood, I may settle for a beep on the nose, as it is after all a sign of affection.

And if explorers get compensation, what about bounty hunters and contract bond fighters?

No, perhaps because of all the data trawling and implications involved, this will just have to be one of those "take it on the chin" moments, and let's just carry on.

 

[rudidev08]

By that logic, many explorers stand to be rewarded with very large amounts of money given their exploration history.

For example, bearing in mind the value of the system at the time and that I had no formal acknowledgement of the 50% first discovery bonus either (as it occurred before that was implemented), I think Universal Cartographics would owe me about 104.9 million credits extra for first-scanning Sagittarius A*. (Or, if I did get the bonus after all, then 69.8 million will do. ). But seeing as I'm in a good mood, I may settle for a beep on the nose, as it is after all a sign of affection.

And if explorers get compensation, what about bounty hunters and contract bond fighters?

I was thinking about that... if BH killed anaconda before, he can still kill anaconda again; while one who has scanned Sag A can never repeat that again.

I wanna beep on the nose too! But only if my shields are up, so i don't get hull damage. at least that's what happening with other ship when i have shields and they don't...

 

[Moritasgus]

Whats done is done, we all worked to the the system that was in place at the time. Crediting every player back pay on exploration and bounties doesn't seem needed.
Everyone still got paid for what they did just not at the current rate.
The same goes for purchasing something for full price the day before it goes on sale.

Sometimes life just isn't fair.

 

[CaptainKremmen]

By accessing the UNIVERSAL CARTOGRAPHICS data terminal, you agreed to the Universal Cartographics EULA.


REFUND POLICY: We have a no refund policy on all of our scan purchases and sale bundles. UC offers fully functional system maps for lifetime use, for all known systems, irrespective of purchase date, cost, or ship computer operating system. Uploads and downloads of system data are full and final transactions, with no recourse, and no implied liability on the part of UC.


You really need to read the station terminal access fine print!

 

[CMDR Skallagrimm]

Or delete your save and start from scratch.

 

[Sim Maker]

By that logic, many explorers stand to be rewarded with very large amounts of money given their exploration history.

For example, bearing in mind the value of the system at the time and that I had no formal acknowledgement of the 50% first discovery bonus either (as it occurred before that was implemented), I think Universal Cartographics would owe me about 104.9 million credits extra for first-scanning Sagittarius A*. (Or, if I did get the bonus after all, then 69.8 million will do. ). But seeing as I'm in a good mood, I may settle for a beep on the nose, as it is after all a sign of affection.

And if explorers get compensation, what about bounty hunters and contract bond fighters?

No, perhaps because of all the data trawling and implications involved, this will just have to be one of those "take it on the chin" moments, and let's just carry on.

I salute you , Sir.......

 

[rudidev08]

Cool to know what others are thinking!

I'm not complaining, really. Life was good before, and it's better now. Especially since every patch there's obligatory "wah, wah", and I don't mean for this to sound like that. Double exploration, double bounty, double bonds? Especially for us casuals, heck yes! Not getting retro-rewards isn't hurting... it's worth asking and mentioning for me, sure, but that's about that.

 

[Neofactor]

I would think not just because these bonuses really just feel like new laws being written to solve problems. No one expects to have their actions judged after a new law is made so I don't think you can expect to receive something after the new policy was implemented for things you did beforehand. If that was the case, bounty hunters would deserve a bonus to reflect the increase in bounties, as they surly missed a large amount of money before. I hope I'm not making to strong a reference to real life here, but retroactive laws/policies don't make a lot of sense. The only reason the ship price refund makes sense is because that's how it works IRL and it seems kind of game breaking to not offer refunds when you cut the price of a ship by 75% and 50% a day or two later.

 

[Oddball_E8]

Umm... sure...

As long as I get my kills retroactively increased too.

 

[VATrevelyan]

For example, everyone gets to do only one scan of Sag A (+ the trip), players that did it before only get 50% of current Sag A value.

....i don't want to sound ungrateful: upping exploration rewards is great change in a sea of many other great changes, and if it's not possible to retroactively rewards explorers, that's fine. I just thought i'd ask.

Well, bright side is at least I'll get rather closer to 100% of the original fresh value than some recent pilgrims.