Rez Sites spawn affection

SkyB · Oct 10, 2017

Greetings fellow cmdrs,

since I revisited Elite a few weeks ago I noticed something strange going on at high and haz rez.
For some reason I do not get spawns hogher than Vulture/ Drop Ship, rarely python, but mostly ASP or smaller ships.

Flying around in a decently engineered Conda bores me quite a lot now. I've been loving bounty hunting yet haz rez does not feel hazardous in any way.

My combat rank is expert, I am hunting at a high sec system at only haz rez.

I just made the same experience during the latest cg.

What happened?
When I started two years ago there were condas, pythons and clippers at even high rez.

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead · Oct 10, 2017

I was in a HAZ Res yesterday.

I was getting Condas, Clippers, Pythons, FDLs, plus loads of fed ships.

What I found odd, was I'm rank deadly, and my crew is also ranked deadly.
Yet half of all the pirates were ranked Competent.
And this was in Solo, in a Hazardous RES. Lol

I made loads of money, but it was in no way hazardous. Lol

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

UnhappyDev · Oct 10, 2017

SkyB said:
What happened?

Well, good question. In a nutshell, HAZRES got nerfed.

- Wings of NPCs never seem to exceed 3 (I think it used to be up to 7???)
- System security can spawn in HAZRES and kill-steal (not checked this on latest patch though)
- NPCs of similar factions used to wing up dynamically if they met in the HAZRES, no longer.

I blame the Engineers....to be more exact, the Engineer-haters who complained about OP NPCs and got PVE nerfed last year (sorry for the whine).

d8veh · Oct 10, 2017

I doubt that anything changed. All RES's change each time you visit them. They go through cycles of different spawns. You can get only big ships, only small ships, mixed big and small, then for each of those, you can get high, medium or low spawn rates. When you don't get the spawn that you like, leave the RES, then go back in, which will reset it. Sometimes you have to do that several times to get the one that you want. When I say "only big ships", that includes big ships with wings of smaller ones. In a mixed spawn you can get any type of ship on its own.

Conch · Oct 10, 2017

was in my usual HAZRES lastnight, got around 10 condas first 15m.
even a wing of 3 condas.

but we need more, we neeed vettes and cutters. pirates alllreadyy have capital ships.
maybe have a CG to unlock the corvette/cutter for a week, and after that let the pirates have them too.

UnhappyDev · Oct 10, 2017

Conch said:
maybe have a CG to unlock the corvette/cutter for a week, and after that let the pirates have them too.

There are Corvettes/Cutters in CZs....and to be honest, they are pretty useless, including at deadly/elite level. Their shields are *nowhere near* as strong as a PVP build and they are slow and stupid. I have far more trouble from Viper MKIV and FAS - their AI is sharper IMO.

PhanttoM · Oct 10, 2017

UnhappyDev said:
Well, good question. In a nutshell, HAZRES got nerfed.

- Wings of NPCs never seem to exceed 3 (I think it used to be up to 7???)
- System security can spawn in HAZRES and kill-steal (not checked this on latest patch though)
- NPCs of similar factions used to wing up dynamically if they met in the HAZRES, no longer.

I blame the Engineers....to be more exact, the Engineer-haters who complained about OP NPCs and got PVE nerfed last year (sorry for the whine).

I haven't seen a wing of 7 in over a year.

Disclaimer/Context: I don't think I've ever seen wings of 4-7 or higher at HazRES when playing solo or alone in my private group though - only during wing gameplay.

Conch · Oct 10, 2017

UnhappyDev said:
There are Corvettes/Cutters in CZs....and to be honest, they are pretty useless, including at deadly/elite level. Their shields are *nowhere near* as strong as a PVP build and they are slow and stupid. I have far more trouble from Viper MKIV and FAS - their AI is sharper IMO.

i enjoy them in CZ.

and i would like to go 1v3 corvettes or cutters..

PhanttoM said:
I haven't seen a wing of 7 in over a year.

Disclaimer/Context: I don't think I've ever seen wings of 4-7 or higher at HazRES when playing solo or alone in my private group though - only during wing gameplay.

i miss thhosee SSS!!! wings of 10!!FTW

Jukelo · Oct 10, 2017

CMDR_Cosmicspacehead said:
What I found odd, was I'm rank deadly, and my crew is also ranked deadly.
Yet half of all the pirates were ranked Competent.

That's normal, the only NPCs that rank up with you are the ones sent specifically after you by the game (the pirates and bounty hunters which have a chance of spawning near the star every time you enter supercruise). It wouldn't make any sense for the rest of the world around you to become more dangerous just because you did.

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead · Oct 10, 2017

Jukelo said:
That's normal, the only NPCs that rank up with you are the ones sent specifically after you. It wouldn't make any sense for the world around you to become more dangerous just because you did.

But in 2.3, in solo, almost everything that spawned in a HAZ Res or CNB was a similar rank to me. Lol

-VR- Max Factor · Oct 10, 2017

I hate res sites. I would prefer to see them go and get replaced with something a bit better.

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead · Oct 10, 2017

Max Factor said:
I hate res sites. I would prefer to see them go and get replaced with something a bit better.

Res' are very gamey. We do have some unauthorized installations now, but they can beat bit 'meh' too.

Admittedly, I can't actually think of a good way to have a steady stream of pirates, and not be gamey. Or boring. Lol

What we need are pirate hubs embedded in rings.
Very dangerous to visit, unless of course you work for them.

Conch · Oct 10, 2017

CMDR_Cosmicspacehead said:
Res' are very gamey. We do have some unauthorized installations now, but they can beat bit 'meh' too.

Admittedly, I can't actually think of a good way to have a steady stream of pirates, and not be gamey. Or boring. Lol

What we need are pirate hubs embedded in rings.
Very dangerous to visit, unless of course you work for them.

Beta-3 Tucani has a HAZRES without rocks, all miners leave and all wanted npcs come to scan you.
taking some cargo there, is a nice challange!!

sollisb · Oct 10, 2017

I'm Elite rank and see lots of Elite NPCs in the HazRez. Wings of 3 Elites in Federal ships. And they're not easy to take down either.

I do think they need a "High HazRez" for the peeps who think they're better than everyone else tho.

Trafalgar Law · Oct 10, 2017

Conch said:
Beta-3 Tucani has a HAZRES without rocks, all miners leave and all wanted npcs come to scan you.
taking some cargo there, is a nice challange!!

Those ones are funny. The miners always look so disappointed.

Pumabear8 · Oct 10, 2017

Max Factor said:
I hate res sites. I would prefer to see them go and get replaced with something a bit better.

I use them to train my fighter crew, it's a good place to level them up.

-VR- Max Factor · Oct 10, 2017

Pumabear8 said:
I use them to train my fighter crew, it's a good place to level them up.

Yep, but I would much prefer something that had some proper gameplay elements instead of a load of pirates turning up waiting to be destroyed all the time.

I would get rid of res sites and have something like this for bounty hunting:

I would get rid of res site altogether, but have mining stations/platforms dotted around in the rings and from time to time there will be a pirate assault with a system wide emergency going out calling for help.

I would like to see Bounty Contracts in the Security Contacts area (get rid of them from the mission board). There are a range of different bountys from low paying 5000-10000 credits area that cater for the beginners, these wanted criminals will be in sidewinders to cobras with appropriate rank etc. They will go up to the really dangerous bounties that are up to 20-30 million in credits, these could in wings and/or in engineered ships. Some of these can be shareable for wing or multicrew members with the reward shared. Some should be wing or multicrew recommended, but you can take them on by yourself if you want to.

sollisb · Oct 10, 2017

Max Factor said:
Yep, but I would much prefer something that had some proper gameplay elements instead of a load of pirates turning up waiting to be destroyed all the time.

I would get rid of res sites and have something like this for bounty hunting:

I would get rid of res site altogether, but have mining stations/platforms dotted around in the rings and from time to time there will be a pirate assault with a system wide emergency going out calling for help.

I would like to see Bounty Contracts in the Security Contacts area (get rid of them from the mission board). There are a range of different bountys from low paying 5000-10000 credits area that cater for the beginners, these wanted criminals will be in sidewinders to cobras with appropriate rank etc. They will go up to the really dangerous bounties that are up to 20-30 million in credits, these could in wings and/or in engineered ships. Some of these can be shareable for wing or multicrew members with the reward shared. Some should be wing or multicrew recommended, but you can take them on by yourself if you want to.

Why not both Max ? (purely personal.. I love my HazRez)

Conch · Oct 10, 2017

sollisb said:
Why not both Max ? (purely personal.. I love my HazRez)

me too, and would go into full salt mode if they were removed!

-VR- Max Factor · Oct 10, 2017

sollisb said:
Why not both Max ? (purely personal.. I love my HazRez)

Because I prefer the gameplay in the games I play to make some kind of sense. At the moment it's like playing a FPS without any story, in the same area, constantly shooting really easy goons that keep coming at you for no reason at all except to get killed at the end of your gun.

I want the things I do in the game to tell some kind of small story and feel like I have helped, even if it is really small, it is better then nothing which is what we have now. It's not bounty hunting, but bounty farming.

Of course you can bounty farm in Anarchy systems, virtually every ship in an Anarchy has a bounty on them, but you will need to interdict them and KWS them. What would be better if you could KWS them when in supercruise.

Sure you could have both, but I don't like seeing HAZ RES in the rings or any other RES site. They just look rubbish and will constantly remind me of a rubbish gameplay mechanic. Or have the haz res sites only in anarchy systems.